Gigabyte Z490 Vision D (Thunderbolt 3) + i5-10400 + AMD RX 580

[jbravo14]

I am thinking of starting a new build with the inspiration from this guide. Thanks CaseySJ!

I am curious on why people would still get the K version of the processors here, given that the VRM setup and over-all topology of this motherboard is not geared for overclocking. Wouldn't you get a close enough performance by setting the power limit of the non-K processors to keep achieving the maximum boost?

I am debating between Vision D and Vision G and either getting an i7-10700 vs i7-10700K... I already have to Vega GPUs I can plug into this.

Main purpose of the machine will be for speeding up my Final Cut Pro workflow/processing.

Currently on a i7-4790.

 

[Ayvan]

I am thinking of starting a new build with the inspiration from this guide. Thanks CaseySJ!

I am curious on why people would still get the K version of the processors here, given that the VRM setup and over-all topology of this motherboard is not geared for overclocking. Wouldn't you get a close enough performance by setting the power limit of the non-K processors to keep achieving the maximum boost?

I am debating between Vision D and Vision G and either getting an i7-10700 vs i7-10700K... I already have to Vega GPUs I can plug into this.

Main purpose of the machine will be for speeding up my Final Cut Pro workflow/processing.

Currently on a i7-4790.

i7-10700K has maximum TurboBoost clock higher than 10700, and, as far as I know, has about 5% better performance without OC.

Look at my score without any OC:

iMac19,1 - Geekbench Browser

Benchmark results for an iMac19,1 with an Intel Core i7-10700K processor.

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For 10700 I found results like this (and it's very good results):

ASUS System Product Name - Geekbench Browser

Benchmark results for an ASUS System Product Name with an Intel Core i7-10700 processor.

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iMac19,1 - Geekbench Browser

Benchmark results for an iMac19,1 with an Intel Core i7-10700 processor.

browser.geekbench.com

Maximum frequency for 10700 - 4.8 GHz, and 5.0 for 10700K without OC.

Vision D/G has good gear for moderate overclocking at least for i7-10700K: 12+1 phases VRM (vs 14+1 Aorus Master) is enough to increase multiplier of turbo boost for each core if you have good cooler and PSU.
Core i9-10900K has more cores and higher power consumption (and works well on Vision D/G), so, we can expect stable VRM performance when overclock i7-10700K in range of typical i9-10900K power consumption.

And you can look at B460 motherboards with VRM "4+2" phases (B460M AORUS ELITE) or something like, and this motherboard can work with i7 and i9 CPU's too! Without OC, but it must works on stock frequency well. How do you think, is 12+1 phases of VRM is good enough for moderate OC for 10700K and 10900K?

And some math! Image from Vision D page (Vision G has the same VRM):

600 Amps current in total! Ok!
CPU has voltage ~1.3V

600A * 1.3V = 780 Watt
Core i9-10900K can consume ~330W (according to tests) when overclocked, so, VRM can handle it easy.

As far as I know, 8-pin CPUpower connector can provide ~300W of power, and 4-pin ~150W of power. So, on Vision D/G with 8+4 CPU power connectors we can get up to ~450W for CPU (or more, if PSU can provide it by power lines for CPU connectors).

VRM can provide up to 780W, power connectors can provide 450W - it’s enough for very, very powerful overclock.

And comparision of Gigabyte Z490 motherboars and their CPU VRM you can see here: https://www.tonymacx86.com/threads/...olt-3-i5-10400-amd-rx-580.298642/post-2143785

 

[jbravo14]

i7-10700K has maximum TurboBoost clock higher than 10700, and, as far as I know, has about 5% better performance without OC.

Look at my score without any OC:

iMac19,1 - Geekbench Browser

Benchmark results for an iMac19,1 with an Intel Core i7-10700K processor.

browser.geekbench.com

For 10700 I found results like this (and it's very good results):

ASUS System Product Name - Geekbench Browser

Benchmark results for an ASUS System Product Name with an Intel Core i7-10700 processor.

browser.geekbench.com

iMac19,1 - Geekbench Browser

Benchmark results for an iMac19,1 with an Intel Core i7-10700 processor.

browser.geekbench.com

Maximum frequency for 10700 - 4.8 GHz, and 5.0 for 10700K without OC.

Vision D/G has good gear for moderate overclocking at least for i7-10700K: 12+1 phases VRM (vs 14+1 Aorus Master) is enough to increase multiplier of turbo boost for each core if you have good cooler and PSU.
Core i9-10900K has more cores and higher power consumption, so, we can expect stable VRM performance when overclock i7-10700K in range of typical i9-10900K power consumption.

Thanks Ayvan! is the Vision G working fully on Catalina? On initial research, looks like Vision G has better Memory Support (higher speeds - stock/overclocking).

May I ask what is your daily setting for the 10700K with Overclock?

 

[CaseySJ]

i7-10700K has maximum TurboBoost clock higher than 10700, and, as far as I know, has about 5% better performance without OC.

Look at my score without any OC:

iMac19,1 - Geekbench Browser

Benchmark results for an iMac19,1 with an Intel Core i7-10700K processor.

browser.geekbench.com

For 10700 I found results like this (and it's very good results):

ASUS System Product Name - Geekbench Browser

Benchmark results for an ASUS System Product Name with an Intel Core i7-10700 processor.

browser.geekbench.com

iMac19,1 - Geekbench Browser

Benchmark results for an iMac19,1 with an Intel Core i7-10700 processor.

browser.geekbench.com

Maximum frequency for 10700 - 4.8 GHz, and 5.0 for 10700K without OC.

Vision D/G has good gear for moderate overclocking at least for i7-10700K: 12+1 phases VRM (vs 14+1 Aorus Master) is enough to increase multiplier of turbo boost for each core if you have good cooler and PSU.
Core i9-10900K has more cores and higher power consumption, so, we can expect stable VRM performance when overclock i7-10700K in range of typical i9-10900K power consumption.

Good information! I've added this to Troubleshooting / FAQ section in Post #1. This was discussed in a recent Gamers Nexus video:

 

[Ploddles]

I am thinking of starting a new build with the inspiration from this guide. Thanks CaseySJ!

I am curious on why people would still get the K version of the processors here, given that the VRM setup and over-all topology of this motherboard is not geared for overclocking. Wouldn't you get a close enough performance by setting the power limit of the non-K processors to keep achieving the maximum boost?

I am debating between Vision D and Vision G and either getting an i7-10700 vs i7-10700K... I already have to Vega GPUs I can plug into this.

Main purpose of the machine will be for speeding up my Final Cut Pro workflow/processing.

I'm just curious as to why you wouldn't go for the Aorus Z490 Master if you want to overclock as much as possible.

 

[oreoapple]

I think we may need to jump a few more hoops to make Mojave work on Z490/Comet Lake.
My thinking is that Z490/Comet Lake will be on the next iMac if there is one (with all those ARM rumors, the chances are going down a bit but I can't see Apple completely jump the ship). Then the new iMac will come with Catalina or whatever coming after it so technically Mojave is not officially supported on it. I think the general idea is to match what iMac/Mac mini does.
I understand Catalina has its own issues and all that. Unless you have to live with Mojave (32bit apps etc. or certain apps are not fully supported in Catalina due to lack of man power to update apps with new API), I'd rather go with Catalina on Z490/Comet Lake to make life easier.

Good thing I checked -- after 3 hours I am still unable to start the Mojave 10.14.6 installer on Z490 Vision D with OpenCore. I've tried a number of experiments, but all have failed. It's possible I'm missing something straightforward, but it's almost like looking for a needle in a haystack of possibilities.

If you need to build a Mojave system quickly, I would recommend a Z390 system at this time.

 

[svandive]

@CaseySJ has anybody had any success that you know of or made progress with getting the Z490 Visions D's Intel AX201 up and running with the Alpha Intel Hackintosh Drivers??

 

[jbravo14]

I'm just curious as to why you wouldn't go for the Aorus Z490 Master if you want to overclock as much as possible.

Thanks! Was trying to strike a balanced build for video editing, getting the most bang for the buck.

Looks like from the posts that CaseySJ and Ayvan there is probably very little performance gain I will get between i7 10700 vs i7 10700K.

Thanks All!

 

[CaseySJ]

Just added this "self-guided journey through OpenCore"...

 

[Ayvan]

Thanks Ayvan! is the Vision G working fully on Catalina? On initial research, looks like Vision G has better Memory Support (higher speeds - stock/overclocking).

May I ask what is your daily setting for the 10700K with Overclock?

Vision G is working fully, in Post #1 you can read notes for Vision G (SSDT for USB and other)

Vision G is like "Vision D Lite", no Thunderbolt 3 and some other features removed. Yes, it support 5000 MHz DDR4, but you don't need it, 4400 MHz on Vision D is good enough. Now I'm using DDR4 3600 CL16.

Now I'm not using overclock. I tested "advanced" OC profile in BIOS, it looks like "auto OC" and it boosts multicore performance (typically, only first 2 cores can boost to maximum frequency, other cores has multipliers like 49-48-48-47-47-47, and in "advanced" CPU profile it may be OC to something like 50-49-49-48-48-48, but need to test it, it's just my idea about "how it works"), but my cooler NZXT Kraken M22 is not the best overclocking cooler (*sarcasm*), and I had some stability issues (reboots, without panics, just sudden PC restart).