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[dehjomz]

Catch-up? They are getting ahead of the curve.
The PCIe 6.0 specification was out even before PCIe 5.0 devices were actually available. It's all driven by bandwidth demand for storage in the data centre. Consumers are totally irrelevant in this evolution, but which marketing department can resist pushing the new N+1 version of a specification to consumers which have absolutely no use for it?

Source: ServeTheHome

yes catchup.

from the same chart:
Pcie 2.0 -> 3.0: 3 years.
Pcie 3.0 -> 4.0: 7 years!

Pcie 4.0 -> 5.0: 2 years.
Pcie 5.0 -> 6.0: ~3 years.

Historically, 7 years for moving from one pcie version to the next is an anomaly.

So the “catch up” is after the stagnation for 7 years in taking pcie from 3.0 to 4.0, pci-sig is advancing the ball much more rapidly than before, and in less time than it took to move from pcie 3.0 -> 4.0, we moved from 4.0 to 6.0, and now 7.0 is under development.

And for 6.0 they used a new signaling mechanism, PAM4. That’s good progress.

 

[CaseySJ]

yes catchup.

from the same chart:
Pcie 2.0 -> 3.0: 3 years.
Pcie 3.0 -> 4.0: 7 years!

Pcie 4.0 -> 5.0: 2 years.
Pcie 5.0 -> 6.0: ~3 years.

Historically, 7 years for moving from one pcie version to the next is an anomaly.

So the “catch up” is after the stagnation for 7 years in taking pcie from 3.0 to 4.0, pci-sig is advancing the ball much more rapidly than before, and in less time than it took to move from pcie 3.0 -> 4.0, we moved from 4.0 to 6.0, and now 7.0 is under development.

And for 6.0 they used a new signaling mechanism, PAM4. That’s good progress.

We were definitely stuck on PCIe 3.0 for far too long.

 

[dehjomz]

We were definitely stuck on PCIe 3.0 for far too long.

Indeed!

 

[c-o-pr]

I think the evolution of Optane (NVMe) might have been what slowed things down. Maybe Intel realized implications for longer term that made sitting on gen 3 reasonable. My recollection is AMD was releasing gen 4 chipsets years before Intel, but without Intel, the heft was missing to lurch the industry ahead? I'm too lazy to look up the history...

 

[dehjomz]

Finally a significant update to Asahi Linux:

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Just updated to this version on my 14" MacBook Pro, which was the object of my most recent urge to splurge.

Their blog is Always a fascinating read. They’re still working on bringing up the GPU and thunderbolt, among other things.

I think the evolution of Optane (NVMe) might have been what slowed things down. Maybe Intel realized implications for longer term that made sitting on gen 3 reasonable. My recollection is AMD was releasing gen 4 chipsets years before Intel, but without Intel, the heft was missing to lurch the industry ahead? I'm too lazy to look up the history...

You’re right AMD launched pcie4.0 (in 2019 I believe) before intel (in 2021 with Rocket lake) but even so, it still took 7 years for the pcie-sig to transition from 3 -> 4.

 

[dehjomz]

I think the evolution of Optane (NVMe) might have been what slowed things down. Maybe Intel realized implications for longer term that made sitting on gen 3 reasonable. My recollection is AMD was releasing gen 4 chipsets years before Intel, but without Intel, the heft was missing to lurch the industry ahead? I'm too lazy to look up the history...

Optane is dead. Intel is winding it down.

 

[CaseySJ]

Ventura Public Beta #2 Available Now in Software Update

The first attempt to install through Software Update (incremental download) generated a Could Not Prepare error
The second attempt does a full 11.22GB download, which is now in progress

Please don't crash...

Aha, it worked...

Up and Running:

 

[dehjomz]

Hi, @CaseySJ! I’m about to install macOS and Windows onto the same SSD.

I know you’ve written about this before.

My thought is to initialize the disk in macOS, format it with GUID which will create two partitions, an empty EFI, and then an APFS partition. I’ll then resize the disk to create empty space for Windows NT.

Then install Windows first and macOS last?

 

[CaseySJ]

Hi, @CaseySJ! I’m about to install macOS and Windows onto the same SSD.

I know you’ve written about this before.

My thought is to initialize the disk in macOS, format it with GUID which will create two partitions, an empty EFI, and then an APFS partition. I’ll then resize the disk to create empty space for Windows NT.

Then install Windows first and macOS last?

The mere presence of an APFS partition may confuse the Windows 10 installer, but might be okay for the Windows 11 installer. It's worth a try...

 

[dehjomz]

The mere presence of an APFS partition may confuse the Windows 10 installer, but might be okay for the Windows 11 installer. It's worth a try...

Only way to know is to test. I’ll report back.