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Apple Previews macOS 13 Ventura - Available Fall 2022

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Can anyone on here give some reliable advice on this?
Buy an M1 Max Mac Studio with as much ram and storage as you'll need today. Use it for 3 years, resell it and upgrade to the newest Mac Studio available at that time. Really the only way to prevent getting cut off from support in the latest macOS version available in the future after Intel support is dropped.
 
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If I go to the effort of building the custom Mac Pro, with all of the components recommended on here, is it likely to survive yet another iteration of the Mac operating system beyond the one planned for the fall release, i.e., Ventura.

I really don't want to waste any more time or money chasing the Mac operating system (last year I bought my first genuine Mac in a long time, the 2016 MacBook Pro and now I see that Apple will be obsoleting it in the next macOS iteration).

Can anyone on here give some reliable advice on this?

Thanks!
I find it actually quite a disgusting move by Apple if that is the case.
It actually goes against their environmental policy - as Tim Cook tweeted this back in early June

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The issue of macOS Intel support I think should be as important as 'Right to Repair'.
Since most consumer products these days are supported for up to 7 years for parts then that should be the very least for current Intel support also (which technically means 2027 from the last known Intel release).
 
If I go to the effort of building the custom Mac Pro, with all of the components recommended on here, is it likely to survive yet another iteration of the Mac operating system beyond the one planned for the fall release, i.e., Ventura.

I really don't want to waste any more time or money chasing the Mac operating system (last year I bought my first genuine Mac in a long time, the 2016 MacBook Pro and now I see that Apple will be obsoleting it in the next macOS iteration).

Can anyone on here give some reliable advice on this?

Thanks!

IMO, unless you are prepared for and comfortable with being stuck on whatever version of macOS is currently compatible, investing any money in to an Intel based system for the purpose of running macOS is a waste of money right now.

My guess is that Intel support for macOS will end sooner rather than later. It makes no sense for them to keep pouring resources in to soon to be discontinued products.
 
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I find it actually quite a disgusting move by Apple if that is the case.
It actually goes against their environmental policy - as Tim Cook tweeted this back in early June

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The issue of macOS Intel support I think should be as important as 'Right to Repair'.
Since most consumer products these days are supported for up to 7 years for parts then that should be the very least for current Intel support also (which technically means 2027 from the last known Intel release).

Think of the energy conservation aspect of it.

Isn't it more disgusting to keep using power hungry Intel based systems? Apple Silicon is several magnitudes more efficient.
 
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Think of the energy conservation aspect of it.

Isn't it more disgusting to keep using power hungry Intel based systems? Apple Silicon is several magnitudes more efficient.
Yes, and you could say the same for Apple continuously making new products every year. Having us buy new equipment means we are going to be wasting more resources (yet again) and let some of our older gear go into landfill (if they don't get recycled). But then again that applies to the IT industry as a whole, not just Intel or Apple.

Don't get me wrong, I do sometimes wish Intel chips were as efficient as Apple Silicon. But it would help users like us more so if they'd allow user upgrades such as replacing the internal SSD/RAM as well as maintain platform OS support for a little longer. Aside from the price, at the moment I don't personally find Apple products as attractive as they used to be because of the restrictions they've imposed since 2017 with the soldered RAM and proprietary SSD. The other thing I don't like is the lack of ability to make an exact copy of an M1/Mac Studio boot drive in case things go awry. It may be fast and efficient but it's expensive.
 
Yes, and you could say the same for Apple continuously making new products every year. Having us buy new equipment means we are going to be wasting more resources (yet again) and let some of our older gear go into landfill (if they don't get recycled). But then again that applies to the IT industry as a whole, not just Intel or Apple.

Don't get me wrong, I do sometimes wish Intel chips were as efficient as Apple Silicon. But it would help users like us more so if they'd allow user upgrades such as replacing the internal SSD/RAM as well as maintain platform OS support for a little longer. Aside from the price, at the moment I don't personally find Apple products as attractive as they used to be because of the restrictions they've imposed since 2017 with the soldered RAM and proprietary SSD. The other thing I don't like is the lack of ability to make an exact copy of an M1/Mac Studio boot drive in case things go awry. It may be fast and efficient but it's expensive.

The decision on whether or not to keep buying new hardware falls on the customers. As a business, Apple is doing what they must in constantly updating and improving. It is the customers who fill the landfills, not Apple.

From an environmental perspective, isn't more damaging to socket everything? Instead of putting all those plastic DIMM slots on the logic board and there's also the boards that RAM is soldered to on DIMMs, why not just solder the RAM directly? Wouldn't the landfills get filled up faster if everyone pulled their 8GB DIMMs and replaced them with 16GB DIMMs? Use of all these sockets would also add to thickness of laptops and iMacs which means the use of more raw materials (i.e. aluminum).

From a technological perspective, I don't know if it's even possible to socket RAM on Apple Silicon because of the Unified Memory. How much latency would that add? Also, RAM upgrades are technically possible.

From a security perspective, having the SSD controller on the Apple Silicon SoC means that pulling the SSD modules out of an Apple Silicon Mac and putting it in to another Apple Silicon Mac will result in unreadable data. Also, technically, upgrading the SSD is possible.

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Both RAM and SSD are upgradeable. Users just need to acquire the skills to do it.

If you want to talk about artificial upgrade blocks, why can't users with Z270 motherboards upgrade to i7-8700K or i9-9900K? They all use LGA1151...

From a monetary perspective, Apple has never been the cheapest option. Remember how much the Lisa cost? Sure, I'd love if their products are super cheap. Who wouldn't? But I went Apple years ago because I felt it was the better alternative. I still feel like it's the better alternative. If cost were my primary criteria, I have plenty of options but I choose to stick to macOS.
 
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If I go to the effort of building the custom Mac Pro, with all of the components recommended on here, is it likely to survive yet another iteration of the Mac operating system beyond the one planned for the fall release, i.e., Ventura.

I really don't want to waste any more time or money chasing the Mac operating system (last year I bought my first genuine Mac in a long time, the 2016 MacBook Pro and now I see that Apple will be obsoleting it in the next macOS iteration).

Can anyone on here give some reliable advice on this?

Thanks!
That has to burn but apple has been cutting older macs off for several years now. 2007s got cut off. Then so did the 2009s. 2012s and slowly so on and so forth. Each new version of macOS in the past several years has dropped support for some older generation of Mac.

So with apple transitioning to its own silicon, we know that x86’s days are numbered on the Mac. Apple is not selling any new macs based on new x86 tech… comet lake 10 series is the last supported generation.

So you had to or should have known that sooner or later apple was going to drop support for a 2016 mac. It has to burn, but the question is why would you buy a 2016 in 2021 instead of buying a mac based on Apple silicon, if long term support was something you expected to have?

Luckily opencore legacy patcher breathes life into older macs. My old 2012 got cutoff after Catalina. Couldn’t even run Big Sur according to apple. But with opencore legacy patcher, it lives on. Big Sur ran just fine. Monterey was more problematic and I probably won’t install Ventura on it tho. can’t talk about that yet tho. Also on the windows side Microsoft cut off Skylake with windows 11. So it’s not only apple cutting off older tech. Linux still runs on toasters however. Only the really old stuff like 286s and such might have been cut off.

Anyways my advice to you is, if long term support is something you desire, get an apple silicon Mac.
 
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Apple still sell MacPro with Intel CPUs . You can spend from 6000$ up to 30000$ on MacPro based on Intel CPUs.
Can You imagine suddenly losing support for this very expensive machine ? It is impossible. There will be support for Intel at least five years. Otherwise apple would lose its reputation. So the news of Hackintosh death has been exaggerated to say at least. In addition, there are first problems with the availability of the latest chips M1 Ultra. You don't have to wait for Intel's latest i9 processor you have it right away and it's more powerful. Or maybe there are some technical problems. I wouldn't be surprised if apple stayed with intel processors for longer or forever.
 
Apple still sell MacPro with Intel CPUs . You can spend from 6000$ up to 30000$ on MacPro based on Intel CPUs.
Can You imagine suddenly losing support for this very expensive machine ? It is impossible. There will be support for Intel at least five years. Otherwise apple would lose its reputation. So the news of Hackintosh death has been exaggerated to say at least. In addition, there are first problems with the availability of the latest chips M1 Ultra. You don't have to wait for Intel's latest i9 processor you have it right away and it's more powerful. Or maybe there are some technical problems. I wouldn't be surprised if apple stayed with intel processors for longer or forever.

Edit: Fixed release and discontinue dates of MacBook.

That's wishful thinking.
The MacBook4,2 was released in October, 2008 and discontinued on June, 2009.
It shipped with Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard.
The last officially supported OS was Mac OS X 10.7 Lion which was released in July, 2011.
It got under 3 years of new OS support from its release date.
The MacBooks sold in much higher quantities than the MacPro7,1.
If this didn't hurt their reputation, why would dropping support for the MacPro7,1 which was released in 2019?

The looming death of Intel support in macOS has been under appreciated.
 
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The MacBooks sold in much higher quantities than the MacPro7,1.
If this didn't hurt their reputation, why would dropping support for the MacPro7,1 which was released in 2019?
I'd count down the end of support from the date of discontinuation of the model, not from its date of release.
Two years of support was harsh on consumer users—but Apple was in a hurry to move out of PowerPC.
The expensive MacPro is bought by wealthy professionals, who have accountants. If the accountant is happy to amortise a $30k spending over three years, then three years of support is all fine!
The end of support for the $1k Intel Mac mini may be harsher to its buyers than the end of the $30k MacPro—though I'm unsure who still buys the mini with its 8th generation CPU in 2022…

Assuming the MacPro7,1 is discontinued this fall, around the time of the release of Ventura, three years of support could be the next three releases of macOS, or the next two releases plus the year leading to macOS 16. So the guesstimate is that Intel support would be dropped with macOS 16 or 17, in 2025 or 2026.

Plus two years of security updates.
Plus some time before software vendors drop Intel support.
Plus the time one can keep working with the last version of $CRITICAL_APP which still supports x86.

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The end…
 
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