AMD vs Intel 2019 Edition

[pastrychef]

How about 128 cores + 256 threads ? Apple would never build something that makes this much noise. Earplugs required.

Have a look at this server teardown...

Didn't know that Gigabyte still uses those blue PCB motherboards. I like that classic look.

Yeah, these are really meant for servers.

But I can see them using 3950x, 3960x, or 3970x Threadrippers. Those would allow for quieter systems.

Source:https://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/136793-intel-core-i9-10980xe/?page=3

 

[scottkendall]

How about 128 cores + 256 threads ? Apple would never build something that makes this much noise. Earplugs required.

Have a look at this server teardown...

Didn't know that Gigabyte still uses those blue PCB motherboards. I like that classic look.

I have always liked AMD video cards all the way back to when they were ATI, I was never a fan of Nvidia. However, AMD is such a wishy washy company I am not sure I would ever put my CPU back under their hood. Back 10-15 years ago when AMD was actually smashing it almost competing with intel even beating them with floating point at the time. I put my trust into them and jumped the intel ship, fast forward a few years. Poof AMD stoped caring and went back to low end CPU. It is very hard to get into the hype, when in the past they proved they were not here to stay at the top level. AMD has always been about putting out affordable products that are almost as good as their rivals at 50% of the cost. I love that there is some competition for Intel and it is forcing them to be competitive in pricing and such. But I would never put my money on AMD CPU again and I hope that apple never does.

Besides how enraged would you be that the price for AMD apple system would not be lowered because it was AMD over intel even though their chips have a lower price point?

 

[pastrychef]

I have always liked AMD video cards all the way back to when they were ATI, I was never a fan of Nvidia. However, AMD is such a wishy washy company I am not sure I would ever put my CPU back under their hood. Back 10-15 years ago when AMD was actually smashing it almost competing with intel even beating them with floating point at the time. I put my trust into them and jumped the intel ship, fast forward a few years. Poof AMD stoped caring and went back to low end CPU. It is very hard to get into the hype, when in the past they proved they were not here to stay at the top level. AMD has always been about putting out affordable products that are almost as good as their rivals at 50% of the cost. I love that there is some competition for Intel and it is forcing them to be competitive in pricing and such. But I would never put my money on AMD CPU again and I hope that apple never does.

Besides how enraged would you be that the price for AMD apple system would not be lowered because it was AMD over intel even though their chips have a lower price point?

AMD under Lisa Su has really righted the ship. As of today, AMD's 7nm CPUs have pretty much overtaken Intel's performance crown, straight up, not just on priceerformance. I don't expect Intel to be able to even begin catching up until they move to 7nm (currently expected to happen in 2021), but who knows where AMD will be by that point.

I believe that the rumors of Apple consideration of moving to their own CPUs for use in Macs were at least partially due to Intel's lack of true advancements. Looking at Intel's best consumer level offerings today, we have the i9-9900KS CPU and refreshed Coffee Lake architecture. These are nothing more than extremely minor evolutionary updates to Skylake which debuted over 4 years ago.

However, I don't know if whatever Apple has developed can compete with AMD's current offerings. Those Threadrippers are absolute beasts! Shifting macOS to AMD would be much easier and would maintain virtualization compatibility for those users who use it. Making macOS run on AMD has already been accomplished with the stock kernel (albeit with a fair number of kernel patches in Clover).

From a business perspective, it would allow Apple to lower prices and increase sales numbers without sacrificing margins. It makes too much sense and I'm sure stock holders will love it. Going to AMD and not lowering prices would be a huge mistake.

 

[scottkendall]

AMD under Lisa Su has really righted the ship. As of today, AMD's 7nm CPUs have pretty much overtaken Intel's performance crown, straight up, not just on priceerformance. I don't expect Intel to be able to even begin catching up until they move to 7nm (currently expected to happen in 2021), but who knows where AMD will be by that point.

I believe that the rumors of Apple consideration of moving to their own CPUs for use in Macs were at least partially due to Intel's lack of true advancements. Looking at Intel's best consumer level offerings today, we have the i9-9900KS CPU and refreshed Coffee Lake architecture. These are nothing more than extremely minor evolutionary updates to Skylake which debuted over 4 years ago.

However, I don't know if whatever Apple has developed can compete with AMD's current offerings. Those Threadrippers are absolute beasts! Shifting macOS to AMD would be much easier and would maintain virtualization compatibility for those users who use it. Making macOS run on AMD has already been accomplished with the stock kernel (albeit with a fair number of kernel patches in Clover).

From a business perspective, it would allow Apple to lower prices and increase sales numbers without sacrificing margins. It makes too much sense and I'm sure stock holders will love it. Going to AMD and not lowering prices would be a huge mistake.

I thought the ship was sailing mighty right last time, until it was not. Apple would not lower their prices they will stay the same even if they house an AMD chip and after the initial complaints everyone will forget. The answer has an always been Apple creates a premium product and people will pay premium prices. Believe it or not some people would rather spend $5K on an iMac Pro or $5K on the base Mac Pro, then $2K on a Hackpro. Apple to many people is a status symbol, and even a focal point when you walk into the room. I have designed office spaces around the iMacs, and Mac Pros as being the focal point of the space.

In your bench marks the only chips that matter are the two that are very close to each other in cores. Those scores are very close over all. However, Intel as you said is using 4 year old tech, while AMD is putting out their bleeding edge. Maybe Intel can not make 10nm or even 7nm work, or they have just decided to see how long they can hold their edge without playing all of their cards. It is kind of like when Samsung was touting 24mp cell phone camera and iPhone had a 10mp, and it was taking better pictures. I am surrounded by lots of IT people from Microsoft, Apple, IBM, and many of them believe that before everyone not just the benchmark companies implement optimization for the AMD chips, Intel will be ready to drop a huge advancement that AMD will take years to to catch up with. Maybe I am wrong but I have watched all three CPU wars in my life and every time Intel comes out onto.

 

[pastrychef]

I thought the ship was sailing mighty right last time, until it was not. Apple would not lower their prices they will stay the same even if they house an AMD chip and after the initial complaints everyone will forget. The answer has an always been Apple creates a premium product and people will pay premium prices. Believe it or not some people would rather spend $5K on an iMac Pro or $5K on the base Mac Pro, then $2K on a Hackpro. Apple to many people is a status symbol, and even a focal point when you walk into the room. I have designed office spaces around the iMacs, and Mac Pros as being the focal point of the space.

In your bench marks the only chips that matter are the two that are very close to each other in cores. Those scores are very close over all. However, Intel as you said is using 4 year old tech, while AMD is putting out their bleeding edge. Maybe Intel can not make 10nm or even 7nm work, or they have just decided to see how long they can hold their edge without playing all of their cards. It is kind of like when Samsung was touting 24mp cell phone camera and iPhone had a 10mp, and it was taking better pictures. I am surrounded by lots of IT people from Microsoft, Apple, IBM, and many of them believe that before everyone not just the benchmark companies implement optimization for the AMD chips, Intel will be ready to drop a huge advancement that AMD will take years to to catch up with. Maybe I am wrong but I have watched all three CPU wars in my life and every time Intel comes out onto.

Well, I can't predict the future... All I can say is that as of today, AMD is no longer losing money and they have CPUs that outperform Intel's.

Yes, I understand that there are those who treat Apple products as status symbols. Yes, I know Apple pushes the limits of how far they can go with pricing. But Apple did drop the prices of iPhones this generation...

If you only want to compare the i9-10980XE with the Threadripper 3950x, you must also consider the $980 MSRP vs $750 MSRP and Intel needs 18 cores/36 threads to compete with AMD's 16 cores/32 threads. Also, AMD has stated that ICP will improve as their 7nm process improves.

Intel has nothing to release until at least 2021. They can't even get 14nm++ production right and are still having issues with production. Dell just announced earnings and stated they were hurt by Intel shortages...

 

[scottkendall]

Well, I can't predict the future... All I can say is that as of today, AMD is no longer losing money and they have CPUs that outperform Intel's.

Yes, I understand that there are those who treat Apple products as status symbols. Yes, I know Apple pushes the limits of how far they can go with pricing. But Apple did drop the prices of iPhones this generation...

If you only want to compare the i9-10980XE with the Threadripper 3950x, you must also consider the $980 MSRP vs $750 MSRP and Intel needs 18 cores/36 threads to compete with AMD's 16 cores/32 threads. Also, AMD has stated that ICP will improve as their 7nm process improves.

Intel has nothing to release until at least 2021. They can't even get 14nm++ production right and are still having issues with production. Dell just announced earnings and stated they were hurt by Intel shortages...

I don't think intel is trying to compete they are just treading water, and just because they tell you they have nothing to release till 2021 does not mean they don't. That is just how long they think they can get away with screwing off. To me if you are using bleeding edge tech and just barely edging out past 4 year old tech your not winning the war. As I see it Intel is just wearing AMD out and then it will strike just like it always has.

And the iPhone 11 Pro is 999 just like the iPhone X was 2 years ago not sure if the price went up last year and then came back down this year but seems like the same price to me.

 

[pastrychef]

I don't think intel is trying to compete they are just treading water, and just because they tell you they have nothing to release till 2021 does not mean they don't. That is just how long they think they can get away with screwing off. To me if you are using bleeding edge tech and just barely edging out past 4 year old tech your not winning the war. As I see it Intel is just wearing AMD out and then it will strike just like it always has.

And the iPhone 11 Pro is 999 just like the iPhone X was 2 years ago not sure if the price went up last year and then came back down this year but seems like the same price to me.

Again, Intel needs 18 cores to compete with a 16 core part from AMD.

Intel is definitely treading water... And losing market share.

AMD Commands 30%+ CPU Market Share For 1st Time in 12 Years According to Latest CPUBenchmark Data

It has been one hell of a ride for AMD ever since the company introduced its wildly successful Zen CPU microarchitecture back in 2017. The underdog chipmaker now commands no less than 30% of CPU market share, as of the end of Q3 2019, according to the latest market share data from cpubenchmark...

wccftech.com

AMD Storms To A Third of CPU Market Share For The First Time In Over a Decade

According to data compiled by CPUBenchmark, at the close of Q3 2019 AMD has secured a third of the global CPU market share for the first time in 12 years,

www.wepc.com

Intel tried to strike but failed with 10nm.

Intel cancels 10nm on desktop, 14nm to hold out until 2022?!

Intel has effectively cancelled plans of desktop 10nm as they believe their 14nm process with some tweaks will be good enough to combat AMD until 2022.

www.tweaktown.com

iPhone price drop.

iPhone 11 might see a tiny price drop | Cult of Mac

www.cultofmac.com

 

[scottkendall]

Bleeding edge is barely beating 4 year old tech, it is actually kind of laughable that they are barely beating intel.

The article even says they decided to hold out as they think they're 14nm will complete with AMD till 22. To me that does not equate as a strike that equates as treading water. I read your 18 vs 16 but fact is intel is keeping up with bleeding edge tech with its 4 year old tech.

If you read a little bit into the only phone that is less is the 11 or XR replacement, so the base model. But the PRO and the Pro Max will cost the same as the year before phone with the same specs.

 

[pastrychef]

Bleeding edge is barely beating 4 year old tech, it is actually kind of laughable that they are barely beating intel.

The article even says they decided to hold out as they think they're 14nm will complete with AMD till 22. To me that does not equate as a strike that equates as treading water. I read your 18 vs 16 but fact is intel is keeping up with bleeding edge tech with its 4 year old tech.

If you read a little bit into the only phone that is less is the 11 or XR replacement, so the base model. But the PRO and the Pro Max will cost the same as the year before phone with the same specs.

That's the thing... The 10980XE IS Intel's bleeding edge. It's brand new. It's more expensive than AMD's offering. It needs more cores to compete with the 3950X.

Intel has no answer for the 3960X and 3970X.

$50 price drop.

 

[pastrychef]

Bleeding edge is barely beating 4 year old tech, it is actually kind of laughable that they are barely beating intel.

The article even says they decided to hold out as they think they're 14nm will complete with AMD till 22. To me that does not equate as a strike that equates as treading water. I read your 18 vs 16 but fact is intel is keeping up with bleeding edge tech with its 4 year old tech.

If you read a little bit into the only phone that is less is the 11 or XR replacement, so the base model. But the PRO and the Pro Max will cost the same as the year before phone with the same specs.

Since Intel had no answers for the Threadrippers, in October, they were forced to lower prices. Previously, their top of the line 18 core/36 thread CPU was priced at $1979 and they had to cut by 50% to compete.

Intel Announces Cascade Lake-X With up to 50% Price Cut, More PCIe (Updated)

Intel drops the pricing bomb with the release of its 10th-gen Cascade Lake-X chips.

www.tomshardware.com

Also, Intel still doesn't have PCI-e 4 while it's already widely available on AMD.