iMac Pro X299 - Live the Future now with macOS 10.14 Mojave [Successful Build/Extended Guide]

[izo1]

Great job as usual mate, the fastest on this new card! Just a quick clarification: Metal and OpenCL aren’t viable on benchmarks alone or thi is a system wide OS level problem? In other words, Mojave accelerates GUI and apps via Metal or is broke? To test it maybe you could use FCP or any other software using Metal libraries, right?

I think proper support is coming in 10.13.4 for this card.

Apple will probably add it to their official eGPU compatibility list and maybe in new Macs this year.

Also OpenCL and OpenGL is gone in the next version of macOS 10.14, so most likely Apple won’t invest too much to optimize for those two in Mojave.

 

[kgp]

Great job as usual mate, the fastest on this new card! Just a quick clarification: Metal and OpenCL aren’t viable on benchmarks alone or thi is a system wide OS level problem? In other words, Mojave accelerates GUI and apps via Metal or is broke? To test it maybe you could use FCP or any other software using Metal libraries, right?

The GPU does not seem yet to support OpenGL or Metal under 10.14.3. I thought this statement was clear enough.

It seems more silent though than any other AMD in IDLE at present. Nevertheless, all Windows reviews clearly state that under load it is even louder and hotter than any AMD GPU before, thus custom water cooling again will be deemed necessary like already in case of all Vegas formerly. Unfortunately there is no custom water block available yet for the Radeon VII. So let's hope that EK will come up with one in the near future. By this, the Radeon VII then might also be properly implemented under macOS.

 

[kgp]

I think proper support is coming in 10.13.4 for this card.

Apple will probably add it to their official eGPU compatibility list and maybe in new Macs this year.

Also OpenCL and OpenGL is gone in the next version of macOS 10.14, so most likely Apple won’t invest too much to optimize for those two in Mojave.

For sure not in 10.13.4 but likely in 10.14.4 and it might require further macOS updates to finally remove other remaining issues as it was also the case for Vegas . Anyway, under 10.14.3, the VII fails not only in supporting OpenGL but also in supporting Metal. The rest is pure speculation. At most the VII could be part of the macPro 2019, which is expected to be released in Q4 2019. Anyway.. let's hope that the VII will be fully implemented much earlier, although I see no necessary relation with eGPUs.

 

[kgp]

I9 9940X was my solution. 10.14.3 install without problems.

As confirmed by @AsEvil several posts ago. The funny thing is that in case of @applemacosxGOD the ASUS Prime X299 Deluxe II even works with the i9-9920X though. Thus, I am not sure that it is only a question of improperly implemented microcodes in the actual ASUS BIOS firmware. Happy that your system now properly works anyway.

Nevertheless, I repeatedly claimed that you guys should report your issues to ASUS, although I got some quite disappointing answer from ASUS concerning their Hackintosh support upon my own request for fixing several issues in the Deluxe and Deluxe II firmware. Based on their recent response, the Hackintosh community apparently seems too small for them to invest dedicated resources. And claiming supposed Windows issues does not make any sense either as the motherboards fully perform under Windows as expected.

Anyway thanks to anybody like you who is actively contributing here and does not just spread hypothetical rumours or just repeats statements and recommendation of others.

 

[izo1]

For sure not in 10.13.4 but likely in 10.14.4 and it might require further macOS updates to finally remove other remaining issues as it was also the case for Vegas . Anyway, under 10.14.3, the VII fails not only in supporting OpenGL but also in supporting Metal. The rest is pure speculation. At most the VII could be part of the macPro 2019, which is expected to be released in Q4 2019. Anyway.. let's hope that the VII will be fully implemented much earlier, although I see no necessary relation with eGPUs.

My mistake, was typing on my phone, meant 10.14.4 (Mojave Radeon VII support) and 10.15 for next macOS version

Removal of OpenCL and OpenGL is not speculation in 10.15. If you watch the WWDC 2018 Keynotes, they specifically talk about moving to Metal only for macOS and OpenCL and OpenGL are depreciated.

So any applications like ones from Adobe (Premiere etc) or Black Magic (Davinci Resolve) will need to move to Metal only in the next macOS version. Premiere already supports Metal, but it has worse performance than OpenCL. CUDA is still king in this area. Something like Davinci Resolve will easily get Metal support, if they haven't already.

If they remove these, all these benchmarking tools and games that support OpenGL in macOS will cease to function and so will applications dependent on OpenCL, they need to move to Metal.

Our saving grace is eGPUs for earlier support as Apple officially has a compatibility list.

Anyway, good work on the Radeon VII. EKWB told me they are working on waterblocks but it won't be here until Q2 2019


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[kgp]

My mistake, was typing on my phone, meant 10.14.4 (Mojave Radeon VII support) and 10.15 for next macOS version

Removal of OpenCL and OpenGL is not speculation in 10.15. If you watch the WWDC 2018 Keynotes, they specifically talk about moving to Metal only for macOS and OpenCL and OpenGL are depreciated.

So any applications like ones from Adobe (Premiere etc) or Black Magic (Davinci Resolve) will need to move to Metal only in the next macOS version. Premiere already supports Metal, but it has worse performance than OpenCL. CUDA is still king in this area. Something like Davinci Resolve will easily get Metal support, if they haven't already.

If they remove these, all these benchmarking tools and games that support OpenGL in macOS will cease to function and so will applications dependent on OpenCL, they need to move to Metal.


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I never said that the removal of OpenGL is a speculation. Everybody knows that this will be the case. That's really nothing new under the Sun. I however clearly stated that OpenGL is not the only problem as currently the VII neither supports metal under 10.14.3. Thus I do not see any reason for the entire current discussion about OpenGL. With speculation, I referred to you theoretical excursions about likely future implementations of the VII in upcoming Macs or in form of eGPUs.

BTW.. how are you doing with the TTR of the Deluxe II? Any new insights or possible contributions from your side? We also implemented the respective XHC USB kext already which is now part of the XHC USB kext library.

 

[izo1]

And claiming supposed Windows issues does not make any sense either as the motherboards fully perform under Windows as expected.

Anyway thanks to anybody like you who is actively contributing here and does not just spread hypothetical rumours or just repeats statements and recommendation of others.

Has worked for me in the past with certain companies. You just have to be sly about how you report it.

I don't know if the last part was a jab at me, but if it was.....time to grow a little maybe?

 

[izo1]

I never said that the removal of OpenGL is a speculation. Everybody knows that this will be the case. That's really nothing new under the Sun. I however clearly stated that OpenGL is not the only problem as currently the VII neither supports metal under 10.14.3. Thus I do not see any reason for the entire current discussion about OpenGL. With speculation, I referred to you theoretical excursions about likely future implementations of the VII in upcoming Macs or in form of eGPUs.

Please read what I said about eGPUs. We are repeating the same things in the past where you take a quote and don't understand what is being said.

I said specifically that with official eGPU support, Apple will add support in OS revision updates faster than before than us waiting for a real Mac to have a specific GPU included in the first place.

Is it that difficult to understand?

Also the reason you are getting half baked performance in Radeon VII is because if you did some research before testing the card, you would see that it is a very different card than the previous Vega. AMD has changed the way the card works and how the sensors are being reported, thus we need a new driver, which will be in 10.14.4.

 

[kgp]

Please read what I said about eGPUs. We are repeating the same things in the past where you take a quote and don't understand what is being said.

I said specifically that with official eGPU support, Apple will add support in OS revision updates faster than before than us waiting for a real Mac to have a specific GPU included in the first place.

Is it that difficult to understand?

Also the reason you are getting half baked performance in Radeon VII is because if you did some research before testing the card, you would see that it is a very different card than the previous Vega. AMD has changed the way the card works and how the sensors are being reported, thus we need a new driver, which will be in 10.14.4.

At least I committed the effort to see if and up to which point the VII might be even already supported by 10.14.3 or at least 10.14.3 SU. And some of the recent results are indeed interesting. Anyway, it is commonly known that there might be upcoming support for the VII under 10.14.4, as it is also known that the VII has a different architecture than the Vega and basically requires a new driver. You are definitely not the only one able to read reviews or respective posts by others. Unfortunately, one cannot discuss here anything that is not public beta. I therefore hope you will excuse my intents of investigating the actual behaviour of the VII under 10.14.3 and 10.14.3 SU at first place, before focusing my interests on future investigations related with 10.14.4. Also my friend just uses 10.14.3, thus there was no way to find any new VII aspects concerning any available 10.14.4 betas even for me in private. I still do not own a VII myself so far but like today I always try to help others. And moreover it was really a thrilling topic. I would have never imagined that a simple status report could again gain such dimensions and requires the actual amount of justification.

Anyway, I am happy that you returned to this thread against all former statements.

 

[izo1]

At least I committed the effort to see if and up to which point the VII might be even already supported by 10.14.3 or at least 10.14.3 SU. And some of the recent results are indeed interesting. Anyway, it is commonly known that there might be upcoming support for the VII under 10.14.4, as it is also known that the VII has a different architecture than the Vega and basically requires a new driver. You are definitely not the only one able to read reviews. Unfortunately, one cannot discuss here anything that is not public beta. I therefore hope you will excuse my intents of investigating the actual behaviour of the VII under 10.14.3 and 10.14.3 SU at first place, before focusing my interests on future investigations related with 10.14.4. Also my friend just uses 10.14.3, thus there was no way to find any new VII aspects concerning any available 10.14.4 betas even for me in private. I still do not own a VII myself so far but like today I always try to help others. And moreover it was really a thrilling topic. I would have never imagined that a simple status report could again gain such dimensions.

Anyway, I am happy that you returned to this thread against all former statements.

You are not a bad person, but you make people like me not want to post here at all. It wastes my time.

You don't have to reply to every post, you know that right?