Contribute
Register

What is the impact on Apple if NVIDIA were to buy ARM?

Joined
Aug 19, 2012
Messages
202
Motherboard
GigaByte Z390 AORUS Master
CPU
i9-9900K
Graphics
RX 5700 XT
Mac
  1. MacBook Air
  2. MacBook Pro
  3. Mac mini
  4. Mac Pro
Classic Mac
  1. Plus
  2. Power Mac
  3. Quadra
Mobile Phone
  1. iOS
Yup...done deal. Honestly I would laugh my ass off if they make Apple's life miserable from now on. Apple should have embraced AMD CPU's instead of being the elitist assholes that they have been lately!

 
Joined
Nov 13, 2016
Messages
473
Motherboard
Gigabyte Z270M-D3H
CPU
i3-7350K OC 4.5GHz
Graphics
RX 580
Mac
  1. MacBook
  2. MacBook Pro
  3. Mac Pro
Classic Mac
  1. Classic
Mobile Phone
  1. iOS
Maybe just me but I don't follow the sentiment in this post. Apple has always wanted to control their ecosystem and hardware as best they can. It's never been an open system outside the brief period of clones. The fact we can hack is a side effect of Intel CPUs and mostly similar architecture.

Apple has a perpetual licence so I see no real effect here from NVIDIA especially sicne it sould cause legal issues for NVIDIA to deny Apple access to the tech they have a licence for. Now, maybe they make some SuperTegra RTX-30-Gigawatts 88MPH chips that they don't license using new tech but that's different.

Yup...done deal. Honestly I would laugh my ass off if they make Apple's life miserable from now on. Apple should have embraced AMD CPU's instead of being the elitist assholes that they have been lately!

 
Joined
Aug 19, 2012
Messages
202
Motherboard
GigaByte Z390 AORUS Master
CPU
i9-9900K
Graphics
RX 5700 XT
Mac
  1. MacBook Air
  2. MacBook Pro
  3. Mac mini
  4. Mac Pro
Classic Mac
  1. Plus
  2. Power Mac
  3. Quadra
Mobile Phone
  1. iOS
Apple has always wanted to control their ecosystem and hardware as best they can.

The issue that I have is that lately they seem to do so at the detriment of their user base. It feels more of a result of ego than an actual business strategy. First they can't seem to be able to work out a way to retain Nvidia/CUDA drivers on OSX which was a terrible blow to CG artists and Video creatives. Now they seem to be swinging their dicks at Epic which runs the risk of having long term repercussions for interactive development.

I'm not saying that Nvidia and Epic are completely innocent, but I don't get the sense that Apple is trying to resolve the issues in a matter that ultimately benefits their user base.

Rather, what I think would be a substantial blow to Apple is if Nvidia actually develops their own OS to compete against OSX and Windows. The time seems right for a new competitor in the OS field with OSX becoming increasingly more of a closed system, and Windows being stuck in late-1990's technology and mentality.
 
Joined
Jul 13, 2016
Messages
2,666
Motherboard
Gigabyte Z370 Gaming 5
CPU
I9 9900k
Graphics
Vega 64
Mac
  1. Mac mini
  2. Mac Pro
Mobile Phone
  1. iOS
Apple has always wanted to control their ecosystem and hardware as best they can. It's never been an open system outside the brief period of clones. The fact we can hack is a side effect of Intel CPUs and mostly similar architecture.

Apple has a perpetual licence so I see no real effect here from NVIDIA especially sicne it sould cause legal issues for NVIDIA to deny Apple access to the tech they have a licence for. Now, maybe they make some SuperTegra RTX-30-Gigawatts 88MPH chips that they don't license using new tech but that's different.

Most people do not understand this but you get it as apparent by your response.

I used to tell Mac People in the early 2000's that MacOS was not more stable the hardware was just better. If you install windows on good hardware you will not have all the drama people associate with windows. Back then people were installing "Win Hardware" like winmodems for $10 or winsound cards for $5. As you said Apple has a perpetual license so no real effect from Nvida. The apple silicon is an inhouse apple SOC that licenses the ARM instruction set it is not like nvida makes apples SOC. Intel and AMD have more to fear from Nvida with this purchase then Apple.
 
Last edited:
Joined
Jul 13, 2016
Messages
2,666
Motherboard
Gigabyte Z370 Gaming 5
CPU
I9 9900k
Graphics
Vega 64
Mac
  1. Mac mini
  2. Mac Pro
Mobile Phone
  1. iOS
Rather, what I think would be a substantial blow to Apple is if Nvidia actually develops their own OS to compete against OSX and Windows. The time seems right for a new competitor in the OS field with OSX becoming increasingly more of a closed system, and Windows being stuck in late-1990's technology and mentality.

MacOS has always been a closed-loop with their software and your correct it is only getting more closed as time rolls on. Like I have said before this was a path Job's put Apple on long before he died. The iPod and Itunes was the start of this closed-loop ecosystem.

Microsoft tried to change their mentality and OS design and the Users freaked the "F" out and they rolled it back.

Microsoft is not a Technology company they are software companies. It is intel and AMD that are stuck in the past Microsoft just writes software that works on that old mentality.

The few Microsoft branded computers are actually rather nice.
 
Joined
Aug 26, 2012
Messages
8
Motherboard
GA-H67M-D2
CPU
i3-2120
Graphics
RX 560
Mobile Phone
  1. Android
...

  • Unites NVIDIA’s leadership in artificial intelligence with Arm’s vast computing ecosystem to drive innovation for all customers
  • NVIDIA will expand Arm’s R&D presence in Cambridge, UK, by establishing a world-class AI research and education center, and building an Arm/NVIDIA-powered AI supercomputer for groundbreaking research
  • NVIDIA will continue Arm’s open-licensing model and customer neutrality and expand Arm’s IP licensing portfolio with NVIDIA technology
 
Joined
Nov 22, 2013
Messages
40
Motherboard
GIGABYTE GA-Z77N-WIFI
CPU
i7-3770K
Graphics
RX 580
Mac
  1. MacBook Air
  2. MacBook Pro
  3. Mac mini
Mobile Phone
  1. iOS
It looks like a brilliant move for NVidia, especially after Apple snubbed their graphics cards for many years...
Well put totally agree and it has happened, I am from the UK I worked for ARM Holdings in Cambridge, had a lot of shares with ARM and made some money when they were bought by the Japanese, yes Apple treated Nvidia badly, ARM will with get revenge and a lot of money of Apple the way it should be, fantastic company and very innovative loved working for ARM
 

trs96

Moderator
Joined
Jul 31, 2012
Messages
18,452
Motherboard
GA-Z97X-UD3H-BK
CPU
i5-4690K
Graphics
HD4600 / RX 570
Mac
  1. MacBook Pro
  2. Mac mini
Mobile Phone
  1. Android
From Anandtech:
NVIDIA isn’t announcing any specific hardware plans today – the deal is easily still a year and a half off from closing – but NVIDIA has made it clear that following their success in the GPU/accelerator and networking markets, they see Arm as the perfect complement to their current product lineup, giving them a capable CPU architecture to round-out their technology portfolio.

The deal is just being formally announced today and will likely not close for some time, as it is expected to be required to clear multiple regulatory hurdles in the UK, US, China, and other governments across the globe.

The other (and perhaps more immediate) challenge for NVIDIA is convincing regulators across the globe to approve the deal. NVIDIA is pitching the deal as being complementary, combining two companies that otherwise have minimal overlap. None the less, minimal is not the same as “none”, and besides the immediate and obvious overlap with Mali and GeForce GPU technologies, regulators will no doubt take a great deal of interest in the future of IP licensing. The smartphone revolution of the past decade and a half has been built on top of Arm architectures – never mind the billions of devices with Arm-based microcontrollers – so many parties have a vested interest in keeping that going.

To that end, while NVIDIA is just starting discussions with regulators – the deal was secret and not being discussed with partners nor regulators until this evening – the company is already making concessions and guarantees to the British government to get its approval. This includes committing to keeping Arm headquartered in Cambridge, and continuing to do a significant amount of their engineering work there.
 
Top