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andrelabbe · Jul 12, 2020

hi

Hackintosh might not have been main stream before but there were there. I know....

at the time of the Mac (68k CPU) there was Atari St and then Amiga.
We (me and my mates) had Atari ST and I can assure you the Mac 'emulator' was quite good. Of course at the time the 'floppy' had to be converted to make life easier (If I recall at the time Mac was doing it the cheap way and their rotational speed was not constant if I recall).
There was the full software emulator (slow) and the one with card which was quite good but of course at a cost since you had to source the Rom from somewhere.

PPC emulator on intel... Cannot remember and at the time a PC running windows 3.1 or 3.11 where not exactly that fast and the graphic far to be 1080p for the main stream.

as an anecdote at the time I was working at DEC and installed quite few graphic workstations (MicrovaxII based). Anyway an automotive client had a design department with a 'graphic computer' were amazed about rendered images of some car and the resolution was 512x512.
These were the days....

scottkendall · Jul 12, 2020

andrelabbe said:
hi

Hackintosh might not have been main stream before but there were there. I know....

at the time of the Mac (68k CPU) there was Atari St and then Amiga.
We (me and my mates) had Atari ST and I can assure you the Mac 'emulator' was quite good. Of course at the time the 'floppy' had to be converted to make life easier (If I recall at the time Mac was doing it the cheap way and their rotational speed was not constant if I recall).
There was the full software emulator (slow) and the one with card which was quite good but of course at a cost since you had to source the Rom from somewhere.

PPC emulator on intel... Cannot remember and at the time a PC running windows 3.1 or 3.11 where not exactly that fast and the graphic far to be 1080p for the main stream.

as an anecdote at the time I was working at DEC and installed quite few graphic workstations (MicrovaxII based). Anyway an automotive client had a design department with a 'graphic computer' were amazed about rendered images of some car and the resolution was 512x512.
These were the days....

The PC emulator was Fusion not to be mistaken with VMware fusion.

pastrychef · Jul 12, 2020

andrelabbe said:
at the time of the Mac (68k CPU) there was Atari St and then Amiga.
We (me and my mates) had Atari ST and I can assure you the Mac 'emulator' was quite good. Of course at the time the 'floppy' had to be converted to make life easier (If I recall at the time Mac was doing it the cheap way and their rotational speed was not constant if I recall).
There was the full software emulator (slow) and the one with card which was quite good but of course at a cost since you had to source the Rom from somewhere.

The Spectre cartridge from Gadgets By Small. You needed to acquire the Mac ROM and plug them in to the cartridge. Most people I knew just copied the ROMs to EPROM.

scottkendall · Jul 12, 2020

tabarus said:
Besides that, anything is fine if/when the Mac is running.
Unfortunately I have very bad experiences with Apple Hardware (G5(maxed out...$$$!!!), iBook,PowerBook MBP...), broken screen, overheating, self destructing superdrives, logic boards, heck any Apple Computer I bought got/was broken.

The best reliable machine I ever used, is my current self built Hackintosh.

The first Mac I ever owned was a 2013 mac Pro it was a 6 core version with D500 video. I used it 12/hrs+ a day from the day it arrived till the day I built my Hack. It was then put into commission at a Music studio. Every time I talk to them they tell me how well it is still working for them. I put it out of commission because it did not fair well with 4k monitors. My 2018 mac mini works just as well right out of the box.

The Hack on the other hand took a long time to make stable, it crashed daily for a very long time, turned out to be XMP. But there is still always a fear that problems will arise with the hack, the Mac mini, and The Mac Trashcan not so much. I also was able to install Big Sur on the mac mini the hack not able to get it to boot.

andrelabbe · Jul 13, 2020

pastrychef said:
The Spectre cartridge from Gadgets By Small. You needed to acquire the Mac ROM and plug them in to the cartridge. Most people I knew just copied the ROMs to EPROM.

You are right. When I said source this was a 'general term' and to keep the text short'ish.
At the time we would not have been able to buy a set of genuine Rom... This was the same for ST Rom and the like (Ex: change a ST to STe with added components).
Good old DIY UV light box to erase the EPROM then apps to 'program' it...
Mainboards at the time where 'easy' to work with. No SMD. You could unsold the Rom and replace it with a socket then put the Rom back on the socket. Same for Memory chips (ex ST) to expand memory.

One last thing not to forget... Internet as we know it did not exist. A quick 'google' was not even a dream.

pastrychef · Jul 13, 2020

andrelabbe said:
You are right. When I said source this was a 'general term' and to keep the text short'ish.
At the time we would not have been able to buy a set of genuine Rom... This was the same for ST Rom and the like (Ex: change a ST to STe with added components).
Good old DIY UV light box to erase the EPROM then apps to 'program' it...
Mainboards at the time where 'easy' to work with. No SMD. You could unsold the Rom and replace it with a socket then put the Rom back on the socket. Same for Memory chips (ex ST) to expand memory.

One last thing not to forget... Internet as we know it did not exist. A quick 'google' was not even a dream.

Yup. I remember the "piggy-backing" of RAM to expand memory.

Upgrading TOS meant having to purchase a set of ROMs directly from Atari.

1200 and 2400 baud Hayes modems connecting to BBSes... Great memories.

thedocbwarren · Jul 13, 2020

Not only did I have the emulator and "hacked" my STe to run macOS but I also upgraded my TOS roms myself to latest Mega STe levels. I kept the Mega STe I bought later (in storage.)

Have an Mac IIfx in storage as well.

Anyway, it's great to think back on hacks before, I never hacked macOS on my Amiga 1200 but I believe it was possible but not as easy and nice as the STe (closer hardware.)

I don't think this is the end for us when the swtch over as I beleive we may be anle to do a few things for a while and noone can predict how it will go from there. For all we know the Arm swtch leads to more tablets and less macs over time.

andrelabbe said:
You are right. When I said source this was a 'general term' and to keep the text short'ish.
At the time we would not have been able to buy a set of genuine Rom... This was the same for ST Rom and the like (Ex: change a ST to STe with added components).
Good old DIY UV light box to erase the EPROM then apps to 'program' it...
Mainboards at the time where 'easy' to work with. No SMD. You could unsold the Rom and replace it with a socket then put the Rom back on the socket. Same for Memory chips (ex ST) to expand memory.

One last thing not to forget... Internet as we know it did not exist. A quick 'google' was not even a dream.

andrelabbe · Jul 13, 2020

pastrychef said:
Yup. I remember the "piggy-backing" of RAM to expand memory.

Upgrading TOS meant having to purchase a set of ROMs directly from Atari.

1200 and 2400 baud Hayes modems connecting to BBSes... Great memories.

I got to conclude this little regression to the past (after all, it is a bit off topic) by saying this:
Emulation has always existed to some extend one way or another.
The difference between now and before was the way to communicate (or the lack of) between people.
Today in no time you can get all the info, SW, help, etc... By simply surfing the web.
Before As PastryChef mentioned BBses, friend of a friend, etc... and that was about it (to keep it simple).

For my part I was fortunate enough to work at DEC (France) as an installation engineer (PDP-11 range and MicroVAX) and we were quite few of us using STs, even Clients were using them. I can assure you when work was done at some client sites... 1/2" tapes with Atari stuff were out on the mainframe and it was all about Atari talk.

zipb · Jul 13, 2020

pastrychef said:
Yup. I remember the "piggy-backing" of RAM to expand memory.

Ah. The Atari 520 ST+... At some point I even had an Apple rom board that went into the side, I think.
The floppy drives were its weak point. And the monitors would break, but were fairly easy to repair.

zipb · Jul 13, 2020

andrelabbe said:
I got to conclude this little regression to the past (after all, it is a bit off topic) by saying this:
Emulation has always existed to some extend one way or another.
The difference between now and before was the way to communicate (or the lack of) between people.
Today in no time you can get all the info, SW, help, etc... By simply surfing the web.
Before As PastryChef mentioned BBses, friend of a friend, etc... and that was about it (to keep it simple).

For my part I was fortunate enough to work at DEC (France) as an installation engineer (PDP-11 range and MicroVAX) and we were quite few of us using STs, even Clients were using them. I can assure you when work was done at some client sites... 1/2" tapes with Atari stuff were out on the mainframe and it was all about Atari talk.

I learned programming on a PDP-15 and the more modern LSI-11. Symbolic assembler and Fortran-4 controlling a hardware FM generator. We've come a long way.

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