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Asus Z690 ProArt Creator WiFi (Thunderbolt 4) + i7-12700K + AMD RX 6800 XT

Can you share the rest of your specs? What other components do you use and which macOS?
z690-Creator-Wifi:
13700k CPU, bios 2103, OC 0.9.2, Mac OS 13.2.1, 64GB GSkill DDR5 5600MHz (2x32gb), AMD Radeon 6900 XT, BM SDI Mini Monitor 4k, BroadcomBCM4360 PCIe wifi/BT, hard-line ethernet to internet, 27" LG 5k Ultrafine Thunderbolt, 27" LG Ultra HD DisplayPort, Fractal Torrent Compact with Noctua nh-d15 cooler.
z790-Creator-Wifi:
13900k CPU, bios 0816, OC 0.9.2, Mac OS 13.2.1, 64GB GSkill DDR5 5600MHz (2x32gb), AMD Radeon 6900 XT, BM Decklink SDI 4k, hard-line ethernet to internet, hard-line 10GigE to Facillis shared storage, 2x 27" LG Ultra HD DisplayPort, LianLi 011 Dynamic EVO with EK Nucleus 360 AIO.
j
 
don't know... I have an "old" PCI 1x Broadcom card OOB (not Fenvi) which is more than 5 years old and it still is working perfectly ... from Lion to Ventura.
that’s good!


Perhaps it was just the crop of Broadcom modules used by Fenvi. I got my first Fenvi back in 2015… and it worked well with El Capitan (I miss the speed and simplicity of El Capitan) and Sierra all the way up to Big Sur.

But with Monterey I needed to use BlueToolFixup to get it to work and even then sometimes it wouldn’t work after a macOS update.

And as manufacturing runs tend to go, they appeared to have started using newer Broadcom modules with updated firmware along the way. I wouldn’t have thought firmware versions would make any difference, but apparently they do. With my current card, I have no issues whatsoever, no need for any Fixups, Bluetooth works well.

And Ventura appears to resolved a bug that existed in early versions of Monterey which was when the Bluetooth radio is on prior to sleep, resuming from sleep results in the BluetoothHD kext locking up and consuming 100% CPU.
 
If you plan on using raptor lake with 2103 then you should install the ME update. For cpu operating stability and the use of all nvme slots. If just using alder lake then you might be fine.

You also could just use an older bios as well up to you. All I am saying is upto 2103 is fine but going beyond is like venturing into the next frontier.
2103 is the best and about 9901 from 1720 could be reliable as well...in this case I avoid to install Windows on my computer....
thanks
 
so after looking around and compiling a list of things I should buy for my first (and last) hackintosh. I'm still waiting what announcement will come out this year at the WWDC before committing lol. The Mac Studio looks great, especially if you buy it at Costco to save a couple hundred bucks. I only wish it supports windows (no parallels). If I didn't have the need for dual boot with Windows, Mac Studio would be a nice option.

I'm looking for a second opinion on these parts. Is it even worth it? it comes out to be about 2500 so it's quite pricey

  1. ASUS ProArt Z790-Creator WiFi 6E - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BQD69ZSF/?tag=tonymacx86com-20
  2. Intel Core i9-13900K - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BCF54SR1/?tag=tonymacx86com-20
  3. G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB Series (Intel XMP) 64GB (2 x 32GB) - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09XYV2Y1R/?tag=tonymacx86com-20
  4. EVGA SuperNOVA 850 G6 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B099821FWG/?tag=tonymacx86com-20
  5. WD_BLACK 2TB SN850X NVMe Internal Gaming SSD - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0B7CMZ3QH/?tag=tonymacx86com-20
  6. Either XFX Speedster MERC319 AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08TJ2BHCQ/?tag=tonymacx86com-20 OR
  7. XFX Speedster MERC319 RX 6950XT - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0B6GKX8MD/?tag=tonymacx86com-20
  8. Crucial MX500 500GB 3D NAND SATA (bootable drive) - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0786QNS9B/?tag=tonymacx86com-20
  9. ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 280 A-RGB - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B099RSPC2H/?tag=tonymacx86com-20
  10. Fans - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09KMFDDYR/?tag=tonymacx86com-20
  11. Lian Li O11 AIR MINI White SPCC - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09DS37Y11/?tag=tonymacx86com-20 (same case as the build for this thread but in white)
  12. fenvi T919 PCI-E WiFi Adapter - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07VCCZS54/?tag=tonymacx86com-20

For #6 and #7, has anyone use XFX before? would this cause any problems?

@CaseySJ, would love your input on these parts. It seems the layout for proart z690 and z790 are very similar so I chose the same case as you (in white since black is not available on Amazon) so perhaps the USB mapping can be the same?
 
so after looking around and compiling a list of things I should buy for my first (and last) hackintosh. I'm still waiting what announcement will come out this year at the WWDC before committing lol. The Mac Studio looks great, especially if you buy it at Costco to save a couple hundred bucks. I only wish it supports windows (no parallels). If I didn't have the need for dual boot with Windows, Mac Studio would be a nice option.

I'm looking for a second opinion on these parts. Is it even worth it? it comes out to be about 2500 so it's quite pricey

  1. ASUS ProArt Z790-Creator WiFi 6E - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BQD69ZSF/?tag=tonymacx86com-20
  2. Intel Core i9-13900K - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BCF54SR1/?tag=tonymacx86com-20
  3. G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB Series (Intel XMP) 64GB (2 x 32GB) - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09XYV2Y1R/?tag=tonymacx86com-20
  4. EVGA SuperNOVA 850 G6 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B099821FWG/?tag=tonymacx86com-20
  5. WD_BLACK 2TB SN850X NVMe Internal Gaming SSD - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0B7CMZ3QH/?tag=tonymacx86com-20
  6. Either XFX Speedster MERC319 AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08TJ2BHCQ/?tag=tonymacx86com-20 OR
  7. XFX Speedster MERC319 RX 6950XT - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0B6GKX8MD/?tag=tonymacx86com-20
  8. Crucial MX500 500GB 3D NAND SATA (bootable drive) - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0786QNS9B/?tag=tonymacx86com-20
  9. ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 280 A-RGB - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B099RSPC2H/?tag=tonymacx86com-20
  10. Fans - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09KMFDDYR/?tag=tonymacx86com-20
  11. Lian Li O11 AIR MINI White SPCC - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09DS37Y11/?tag=tonymacx86com-20 (same case as the build for this thread but in white)
  12. fenvi T919 PCI-E WiFi Adapter - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07VCCZS54/?tag=tonymacx86com-20

For #6 and #7, has anyone use XFX before? would this cause any problems?

@CaseySJ, would love your input on these parts. It seems the layout for proart z690 and z790 are very similar so I chose the same case as you (in white since black is not available on Amazon) so perhaps the USB mapping can be the same?
These are all excellent choices, but the Lian Li Air Mini (which I have) might not be a good fit. I had to remove the IO shroud in order to install a 280mm radiator at the top of the case. Today I would choose the Jonsbo D41, which comes in several variants, including one with an LCD screen (but that may interfere with HDMI audio).

 
so after looking around and compiling a list of things I should buy for my first (and last) hackintosh. I'm still waiting what announcement will come out this year at the WWDC before committing lol. The Mac Studio looks great, especially if you buy it at Costco to save a couple hundred bucks. I only wish it supports windows (no parallels). If I didn't have the need for dual boot with Windows, Mac Studio would be a nice option.

I'm looking for a second opinion on these parts. Is it even worth it? it comes out to be about 2500 so it's quite pricey

  1. ASUS ProArt Z790-Creator WiFi 6E - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BQD69ZSF/?tag=tonymacx86com-20
  2. Intel Core i9-13900K - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BCF54SR1/?tag=tonymacx86com-20
  3. G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB Series (Intel XMP) 64GB (2 x 32GB) - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09XYV2Y1R/?tag=tonymacx86com-20
  4. EVGA SuperNOVA 850 G6 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B099821FWG/?tag=tonymacx86com-20
  5. WD_BLACK 2TB SN850X NVMe Internal Gaming SSD - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0B7CMZ3QH/?tag=tonymacx86com-20
  6. Either XFX Speedster MERC319 AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08TJ2BHCQ/?tag=tonymacx86com-20 OR
  7. XFX Speedster MERC319 RX 6950XT - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0B6GKX8MD/?tag=tonymacx86com-20
  8. Crucial MX500 500GB 3D NAND SATA (bootable drive) - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0786QNS9B/?tag=tonymacx86com-20
  9. ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 280 A-RGB - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B099RSPC2H/?tag=tonymacx86com-20
  10. Fans - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09KMFDDYR/?tag=tonymacx86com-20
  11. Lian Li O11 AIR MINI White SPCC - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09DS37Y11/?tag=tonymacx86com-20 (same case as the build for this thread but in white)
  12. fenvi T919 PCI-E WiFi Adapter - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07VCCZS54/?tag=tonymacx86com-20

For #6 and #7, has anyone use XFX before? would this cause any problems?

@CaseySJ, would love your input on these parts. It seems the layout for proart z690 and z790 are very similar so I chose the same case as you (in white since black is not available on Amazon) so perhaps the USB mapping can be the same?
Maybe I missed it, but you need to clarify what you’re using this for. You can def save some bucks by not over-buying for what your needs are.

With what you’ve listed, I personally wouldn’t recommend the Arctic 280 for a 13900k, but if you’re not over clocking and ALSO making sure you set CPU power limits, just about anything decent (which the AF 280 is) will do. If you’re NOT overtaxing power, you can save a good deal of money on the cooler, AND the CPU. My 13700k is overclocked and NEARLY the performance of the 13900k (not overclocked). The extra performance of the pricier CPU helps only in specific tasks. You can save money by not buying RGB ram, and ALOT of money by not over-buying your GPU. If you DO need a 6900+ GPU, I’d recommend a bigger PSU than the 850 with the 13900k — an 850 is just adequate (see any PSU calculator).

FWIW — and for what I use these for — a build such as this is FAR more capable and far less expensive than anything Apple offers, despite its days clearly being numbered. A Max Studio is definitely NOT without its flaws.
J
 
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Maybe I missed it, but you need to clarify what you’re using this for. You can def save some bucks by not over-buying for what your needs are.
My primary use for this is general computing and some dev work since it's been easier to do dev work on a Mac than Windows. I'm an occasional gamer so having Windows dual boot is just great. My current macbook pro is still able to do all of this but I'm looking for something more powerful. I would need to turn off a bunch of settings to play games as the macbook pro graphic card isn't as great.

I want to get into photo and video editing but haven't had time, so eventually the build will be used for that too.

With what you’ve listed, I personally wouldn’t recommend the Arctic 280 for a 13900k, but if you’re not over clocking and ALSO making sure you set CPU power limits, just about anything decent (which the AF 280 is) will do. If you’re NOT overtaxing power, you can save a good deal of money on the cooler, AND the CPU. My 13700k is overclocked and NEARLY the performance of the 13900k (not overclocked). The extra performance of the pricier CPU helps only in specific tasks. You can save money by not buying RGB ram, and ALOT of money by not over-buying your GPU. If you DO need a 6900+ GPU, I’d recommend a bigger PSU than the 850 with the 13900k — an 850 is just adequate (see any PSU calculator).
The truth is picking parts for the build is hard and I probably don't know what I want lol. I chose the 13900k because it's the more powerful one. I most likely won't be overtaxing the 13900K. I have considered 13700k. It's a difference of $160 or $260 (for the 13600K). Still debating...

What is a matching cooler for the 13900k?
would this work? https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09Y1LVCYH/?tag=tonymacx86com-20 (DeepCool Liquid Cooler LS720)

What is a good alternative to the RGB ram that I listed? I notice G.Skill RAMs are expensive and most are out of stock. A typical pair of 32GB, can be between $160-250.
Would this work? TEAMGROUP T-Create Expert Overclocking 10L DDR5 64GB Kit (2 x 32GB) - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BPHSL93T/?tag=tonymacx86com-20 ($170)

Do you recommend an EVGA upgrade to 1000W if I go with 13900k? https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0997XYF3R/?tag=tonymacx86com-20 (+$40 from the 850W model)


FWIW — and for what I use these for — a build such as this is FAR more capable and far less expensive than anything Apple offers, despite its days clearly being numbered. A Max Studio is definitely NOT without its flaws.
J
Agreed. The lower tier Mac Studio costs $1950 at Costco and feels too basic while the higher tier costs $3800 at Costco but these 2 are still using M1. I would expect an upgrade to M2 or better when they announce it next month?
 
so after looking around and compiling a list of things I should buy for my first (and last) hackintosh. I'm still waiting what announcement will come out this year at the WWDC before committing lol. The Mac Studio looks great, especially if you buy it at Costco to save a couple hundred bucks. I only wish it supports windows (no parallels). If I didn't have the need for dual boot with Windows, Mac Studio would be a nice option.

I'm looking for a second opinion on these parts. Is it even worth it? it comes out to be about 2500 so it's quite pricey

  1. ASUS ProArt Z790-Creator WiFi 6E - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BQD69ZSF/?tag=tonymacx86com-20
  2. Intel Core i9-13900K - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BCF54SR1/?tag=tonymacx86com-20
  3. G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB Series (Intel XMP) 64GB (2 x 32GB) - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09XYV2Y1R/?tag=tonymacx86com-20
  4. EVGA SuperNOVA 850 G6 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B099821FWG/?tag=tonymacx86com-20
  5. WD_BLACK 2TB SN850X NVMe Internal Gaming SSD - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0B7CMZ3QH/?tag=tonymacx86com-20
  6. Either XFX Speedster MERC319 AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08TJ2BHCQ/?tag=tonymacx86com-20 OR
  7. XFX Speedster MERC319 RX 6950XT - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0B6GKX8MD/?tag=tonymacx86com-20
  8. Crucial MX500 500GB 3D NAND SATA (bootable drive) - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0786QNS9B/?tag=tonymacx86com-20
  9. ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 280 A-RGB - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B099RSPC2H/?tag=tonymacx86com-20
  10. Fans - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09KMFDDYR/?tag=tonymacx86com-20
  11. Lian Li O11 AIR MINI White SPCC - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09DS37Y11/?tag=tonymacx86com-20 (same case as the build for this thread but in white)
  12. fenvi T919 PCI-E WiFi Adapter - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07VCCZS54/?tag=tonymacx86com-20

For #6 and #7, has anyone use XFX before? would this cause any problems?

@CaseySJ, would love your input on these parts. It seems the layout for proart z690 and z790 are very similar so I chose the same case as you (in white since black is not available on Amazon) so perhaps the USB mapping can be the same?
well... I would go for:
3. Maybe you can have G.Skill or Corsair but at higher clock here with a minimal difference in price (see 6000MHz).
6. an 6800XT instead of 6950XT because differences are minimal on performance's side in real world usage.
7. see above
8. I would go for another 850X as bootable drive and surely not using an SATA ssd nowadays.
9. If you would chose a 13th Intel CPU I would go for a 360mm cooler. Artic are very good, indeed.
10. Noctua fans are the best.
11. I would go for a Fractal Design case: they are beautiful and very very silent, but this is personal taste.
 
The truth is picking parts for the build is hard and I probably don't know what I want lol.
It IS hard! Confusing and time-consuming! I hear ya!

But at the risk of sounding discouraging -- because that is not what the spirit of this forum is about -- perhaps you should reconsider if building a hack is something you feel up to. Despite the wonderful and very thorough guides on this thread and others, a hack isn't a 'paint-by-numbers' system, and WILL require quite a lot of thorough reading, researching, and trouble-shooting. Whilst it is true, that a solid-understanding and following of the guides WILL and CAN get you up and running, it's the continual next steps and upkeep that DOES take time and research. For many of us here, that whole process can be exciting, inspiring and rewarding, yet for others it can be frustrating. Many many wonderful and generous people on here are more than happy to lend a hand -- I certainly have needed it through my years! But it could be a hurdle to solely depend on timely replies if this build is something you depend on versus something that is a fun project on the side.

That said, choosing components needs to have target goals in mind (esp. if you're seeking to not overspend). Does the build need to be compact? Silent? Do you prefer air-cooling or water-cooling, and why? Powerful for just web-surfing, gaming, or powerful for other things (like coding, video editing, image processing)? Do aesthetics play a factor? What about network connectivity? How many screens? How big are the screens? How much RAM do you need? Thunderbolt? GPU? Power? Do you need specialty PCIe cards?

So, so many factors, and there are endless discussions within each about which components work best, so it's very hard to help others choose what's best for THEM.

For someone dipping their toes into this for the first time, certainly choosing components as close as possible to the Golden Builds is the EASIEST because the setup, support and troubleshooting is all designed to do just that... make it EASY. As soon as you start diverging from that component-wise, it starts to become more difficult not only for you but for those gracious enough to help. And now that matching those components is getting tougher -- because of the age of the thread, and the fact that there are more and more folks waiving the white flag -- you definitely are in store for more trouble-shooting to get different components to work.

I plan on being here for awhile, so I'll help where I can, but I'm FAR from being as equipped as many here.

Keep us posted,
J
 
My primary use for this is general computing and some dev work since it's been easier to do dev work on a Mac than Windows. I'm an occasional gamer so having Windows dual boot is just great. My current macbook pro is still able to do all of this but I'm looking for something more powerful. I would need to turn off a bunch of settings to play games as the macbook pro graphic card isn't as great.

I want to get into photo and video editing but haven't had time, so eventually the build will be used for that too.


The truth is picking parts for the build is hard and I probably don't know what I want lol. I chose the 13900k because it's the more powerful one. I most likely won't be overtaxing the 13900K. I have considered 13700k. It's a difference of $160 or $260 (for the 13600K). Still debating...

What is a matching cooler for the 13900k?
would this work? https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09Y1LVCYH/?tag=tonymacx86com-20 (DeepCool Liquid Cooler LS720)

What is a good alternative to the RGB ram that I listed? I notice G.Skill RAMs are expensive and most are out of stock. A typical pair of 32GB, can be between $160-250.
Would this work? TEAMGROUP T-Create Expert Overclocking 10L DDR5 64GB Kit (2 x 32GB) - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BPHSL93T/?tag=tonymacx86com-20 ($170)

Do you recommend an EVGA upgrade to 1000W if I go with 13900k? https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0997XYF3R/?tag=tonymacx86com-20 (+$40 from the 850W model)



Agreed. The lower tier Mac Studio costs $1950 at Costco and feels too basic while the higher tier costs $3800 at Costco but these 2 are still using M1. I would expect an upgrade to M2 or better when they announce it next month?
What Mac/hack, if any, do you use now?

How much RAM do you need? With DDR5 we have 32 GB and 64 GB kits, but we also have non-binary kits as well… 48 GB/96 GB. I have a 48 GB kit. DDR5 RAM prices have come way way down. A 64 GB kit is now approx $270. In the early days of DDR5, that same kit (which didn’t yet exist at 6400 MT/sec speeds) would’ve cost at least $800 or more.

Regarding GPU, what resolutions do you plan to game at? You probably could get by with a 6800XT at 1440p or less. But given the prices of RDNA2, a 6900/6950XT are good deals too.

If possible, I suggest to at least consider waiting until after the wwdc keynote on June 5 to pull the trigger. Wait to see what, if any new hardware apple releases and what, if any changes apple makes to macOS that may or may not be compatible with our intel hardware.

I assume our hacks will continue to be compatible with macOS 14, but one relevant historical point is what happened when the first Big Sur beta first came out. Apple made significant changes to the file system under the hood (including cryptographically sealed snapshots) to the point where opencore needed significant modifications to be able to boot macOS. That Took several weeks. Also VirtualSMC broke for a period of time, and we had to revert to using FakeSMC.

What if apple does this again? or worse, ties the boot loader or DSMOS.kext on intel to load only if the T2 chip is available? Hacks don’t have a t2. Of course in that case you could continue to just use Monterey or Ventura.

Do you really want to troubleshoot a hack if/when things go awry? If you don’t mind the challenge then proceed. But you could always build a windows box and get an apple silicon Mac, and use a kvm switch to switch your usb peripherals/monitors between both devices. M1 Max macs are experiencing significant sales these days. Best Buy just had a sale for $800 off an M1 Max 16” laptop 32 GB RAM, 1 TB SSD.

Also, on the horizon on PC is meteor lake later this year (we don’t yet know for certain if it is coming to desktop or will be laptop only), and arrow lake probably next year, along with zen 5. Meteor lake is adding a neural engine accelerator (VPU in intel’s parlance). Perhaps this is something that may or may not interest you.

I agree with the commenter before who asked key questions like what is the purpose of this hack, what are the noise/case size considerations, what apps you plan to use (some apps from the App Store are ARM only and don’t work on x86), would an apple silicon Mac suffice, what resolution is/are your monitor(s). Once we know the clear intent and purpose along with some details, then we can give good advice.

Doesn’t make sense to overspend if you don’t need to.

Good luck!
 
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