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Asus Z690 ProArt Creator WiFi (Thunderbolt 4) + i7-12700K + AMD RX 6800 XT

Ouch, that's a dizzying number of cores/threads (8P, 16E, 32 total). Soon there won't be enough width to display the entire Activity Monitor usage window, and macOS will need to switch to a row/column matrix! :)
Indeed this thing is a monster. I haven't even played around with overlocking it yet. All out of the box. The only thing I've done is lowered the voltage. This thing consumes more power for sure than Alder Lake but runs cooler under load. Intel has tweaked the V/F curve, so you get much more perf at a lower voltage.

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What does it say about the development of the latest Intel and AMD processors that many early adopters are wanting to under volt? I'm guess I'm just a little disappointed with the trend to amp up the voltage to eek out better numbers and win the processor war. Idle temps at 80 degrees?

I'm usually really excited about next generation hardware, I was about the AMD 7000 processors for sure, but its too early for me to go that route. Guys I don't mean to be a Debbie Downer, I'll still very interested in all of it, I'm just not buying into it yet.
 
I see new... i think... full pins for second x16 slot, maybe. someone see something else? )

Just found this on webpage and maybe we can have a find difference game!
@CaseySJ Do you think that it will have more challenge on this Z790 board?

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What does it say about the development of the latest Intel and AMD processors that many early adopters are wanting to under volt? I'm guess I'm just a little disappointed with the trend to amp up the voltage to eek out better numbers and win the processor war. Idle temps at 80 degrees?

I'm usually really excited about next generation hardware, I was about the AMD 7000 processors for sure, but its too early for me to go that route. Guys I don't mean to be a Debbie Downer, I'll still very interested in all of it, I'm just not buying into it yet.
No idle is 34C, cinebench all core is 76-80C after an Under-volt. And yes undervolt because the default v/f curve programmed into current asus bioses are far too inefficient.
 
Just found this on webpage and maybe we can have a find difference game!
@CaseySJ Do you think that it will have more challenge on this Z790 board?

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This looks to be plug-and-play compatible with the EFI for Z690 version. I really like the ProArt series…
 
No idle is 34C, cinebench all core is 76-80C after an Under-volt. And yes undervolt because the default v/f curve programmed into current asus bioses are far too inefficient.
What cooler are you using?
 
No idle is 34C, cinebench all core is 76-80C after an Under-volt. And yes undervolt because the default v/f curve programmed into current asus bioses are far too inefficient.
Gotcha, I misunderstood for sure. I’m still stuck on the idea that under volting a flagship processor from default is something that needs to be considered. I’m not saying it isn’t a good idea to get temps lower while minimally effecting performance, it’s just seems odd to me we spend all this money to get the fastest, best performing chip and then intentionally slow it down.
 
Gotcha, I misunderstood for sure. I’m still stuck on the idea that under volting a flagship processor from default is something that needs to be considered. I’m not saying it isn’t a good idea to get temps lower while minimally effecting performance, it’s just seems odd to me we spend all this money to get the fastest, best performing chip and then intentionally slow it down.
Technically undervolting does not slow down the chip. The default turbo ratios on the 13900k are 5.8 GHz on up to two cores and 5.5 GHz on an all core load. The chip can do this stably at a given minimum voltage.

The problem is that the default voltage on current bioses is not the stable minimum, and are unfortunately way way higher than they need to be. For instance, Asus sets the default voltage on formula to over 1.4 volts. But when an all core load is applied, the Asus default voltage results in power consumption of over 300W with temps approaching 100C.

But by undervolting, you find the minimum voltage for Stable operation. On my 13900K this minimum seems to be around 1.27-1.28V (with a load line of 3). At this voltage, the chip doesn’t slow down and boosts to the default frequencies. But consumes much less power and as a result run cooler as well. So same performance, less watts and less temps.

By undervolting, I was able to shave 40-50W off, and reduce temps by 22 degrees compared to “stock.” Some 13900K chips have a higher SP rating than others, and can sustain higher frequencies at lower voltages (and power consumption) than others. This is where binning comes in.

I am using a kraken z73 360 mm cooler but a 280mm z63 would be fine honestly.
 
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Technically undervolting does not slow down the chip. The default turbo ratios on the 13900k are 5.8 GHz on up to two cores and 5.5 GHz on an all core load. The chip can do this stably at a given minimum voltage.

The problem is that the default voltage on current bioses is not the stable minimum, and are unfortunately way way higher than they need to be. For instance, Asus sets the default voltage on formula to over 1.4 volts. But when an all core load is applied, the Asus default voltage results in power consumption of over 300W with temps approaching 100C.

But by undervolting, you find the minimum voltage for Stable operation. On my 13900K this minimum seems to be around 1.27-1.28V (with a load line of 3). At this voltage, the chip doesn’t slow down and boosts to the default frequencies. But consumes much less power and as a result run cooler as well. So same performance, less watts and less temps.

By undervolting, I was able to shave 40-50W off, and reduce temps by 22 degrees compared to “stock.” Some 13900K chips have a higher SP rating than others, and can sustain higher frequencies at lower voltages (and power consumption) than others. This is where binning comes in.

I am using a kraken z73 360 mm cooler but I don’t need anything more than a 280mm honestly.
If a 280 would be sufficient, I wonder how the ‘ole reliable Noctua dh15 will do in a good case!
 
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