Intel is really in a major slump because of AMD's Ryzen CPU line

[trs96]

2021-22

If Apple does switch to Ryzen CPUs in the 2020s we'll have to start a new site called "tonymacAMDx64" and keep it focused on AMD hackintoshes only. Wouldn't that be cool ? Gigamaxx will definitely be the first to sign up. We will still be keeping tonymacx86.com Intel only for the time being but if Apple were to switch from Intel to AMD we'd certainly have give AMD CPUs consideration since the value proposition is so good right now.

 

[trs96]

I recall not too long ago if I typed the word Ryzen on this forum...

We're still not supporting hacks with AMD CPUs so those that ask for help with those builds will get their posts removed. That's part of the rules section. If Apple for some reason goes with AMD I'd build my first AMD CPU based PC that I'd keep longer term. I think I built one many years ago with Windows installed but quickly sold it. I put this thread in Bat cave because it's not a support thread and is just a general interest topic on the state of Intel in late 2019, early 2020..

 

[pastrychef]

From sources online that I've read they will be skipping PCIe 4.0 altogether and going to 5.0 instead. When that happens is anyone's guess. Predictions are for 2022. Seems a long way off. Maybe a late 2022 MP refresh with Socket 4697 Xeons and PCIe 5.0. Start saving up your money !!

Seeing as the 10th gen stuff is already set in stone and will be coming in 2020, I guess 2021 is the earliest we can hope for any PCI-e advancements from Intel.

We're still not supporting hacks with AMD CPUs so those that ask for help with those builds will get their posts removed. That's part of the rules section. If Apple for some reason goes with AMD I'd build my first AMD CPU based PC that I'd keep longer term. I think I built one many years ago with Windows installed but quickly sold it. I put this thread in Bat cave because it's not a support thread and is just a general interest topic on the state of Intel in late 2019, early 2020..

I have no plans to go to Intel's 10th gen platform. On the other hand, the thought of a Ryzen 9 build gets more enticing everyday.

 

[antieatingactivist]

The reason for the Intel slump and high prices is because AMD wasn't on their level. That has changed and its a good thing even if you have no intention on using AMD. They don't really have the fab capacity to be a huge threat in the short term but it has already affected Intel's pricing on the high end. Competition is good. Hopefully the catch up with Nvidia soon too.

 

[pastrychef]

The reason for the Intel slump and high prices is because AMD wasn't on their level. That has changed and its a good thing even if you have no intention on using AMD. They don't really have the fab capacity to be a huge threat in the short term but it has already affected Intel's pricing on the high end. Competition is good. Hopefully the catch up with Nvidia soon too.

Even with AMD producing CPUs and chipsets that outperform their products, Intel can't get 10nm right. Their 10nm process is years late and they still have no idea when it will be good enough for desktop CPUs. Intel can't even meet demand of the old 14nm++ CPUs. Meanwhile, AMD is already planning for 5nm. I have faith that TSMC will be able to help AMD pump out lots of CPUs at a fast clip.

The Navi GPUs appear to be designed with upward scalability in mind. I think (hope) they will be more competitive with Nvidia on the top end soon. I think that AMDs decision to name their first Navi GPU "5700" was to leave the door open for 5800 and/or 5900.

 

[Gigamaxx]

Seeing as the 10th gen stuff is already set in stone and will be coming in 2020, I guess 2021 is the earliest we can hope for any PCI-e advancements from Intel.





I have no plans to go to Intel's 10th gen platform. On the other hand, the thought of a Ryzen 9 build gets more enticing everyday.

I was warming up to a R9 but my wife's car just cost me $1000 over the last few weeks. It was spitting out codes, EGR valve, Mass Air flow sensor, O2 sensors etc.. Started changing out parts to no avail, then noticed the AC lines frozen solid when not in use. ECM or the computer was the culprit, took 2 weeks to come via snail mail from New York, $220 w/tax ($700 from Ford dealer) fixed all the code errors. Had to use windows to program the PATs keys.

Maybe next month the R9 will be doable? At least I don't have to drive her all over town anymore. That alone was worth the $1000.

 

[Gigamaxx]

Even with AMD producing CPUs and chipsets that outperform their products, Intel can't get 10nm right. Their 10nm process is years late and they still have no idea when it will be good enough for desktop CPUs. Intel can't even meet demand of the old 14nm++ CPUs. Meanwhile, AMD is already planning for 5nm. I have faith that TSMC will be able to help AMD pump out lots of CPUs at a fast clip.

The Navi GPUs appear to be designed with upward scalability in mind. I think (hope) they will be more competitive with Nvidia on the top end soon. I think that AMDs decision to name their first Navi GPU "5700" was to leave the door open for 5800 and/or 5900.

AMD’s High-End ‘Radeon RX’ Navi 21 GPU Rumors: Twice As Fast as Navi 10, 505mm2 Die Size, Faster GDDR6 Memory

 

[pastrychef]

AMD’s High-End ‘Radeon RX’ Navi 21 GPU Rumors: Twice As Fast as Navi 10, 505mm2 Die Size, Faster GDDR6 Memory

Holy smokes! 505mm2! That's a ginormous die!

Edit:
I just checked and early rumors of Vega 64 said it was 510mm2 but, when it was released, it was 486mm2.

 

[Gigamaxx]

Holy smokes! 505mm2! That's a ginormous die!

Edit:
I just checked and early rumors of Vega 64 said it was 510mm2 but, when it was released, it was 486mm2.

14nm vs 7nm with a similar die size! Yuge!

 

[antieatingactivist]

Even with AMD producing CPUs and chipsets that outperform their products, Intel can't get 10nm right. Their 10nm process is years late and they still have no idea when it will be good enough for desktop CPUs. Intel can't even meet demand of the old 14nm++ CPUs. Meanwhile, AMD is already planning for 5nm. I have faith that TSMC will be able to help AMD pump out lots of CPUs at a fast clip.

The Navi GPUs appear to be designed with upward scalability in mind. I think (hope) they will be more competitive with Nvidia on the top end soon. I think that AMDs decision to name their first Navi GPU "5700" was to leave the door open for 5800 and/or 5900.

I wonder if using an external fab, that is the most advanced in the world, and having a fraction of the market share enables a company to pull ahead on the design side and how long that advantage can be sustainable.

yes, 5700 is not what you call the best you can do. I have no doubt something else is coming.