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Would this be a good pc for a basic Hackingtosh?

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Motherboard
HP 8200 rev 0
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Intel core I5-2400 @ 3.1 Ghz
Graphics
Nvidia Gt210
Hi,

This thread - https://www.tonymacx86.com/threads/guide-hp-6200-pro-8200-elite-sff-desktop-macos-sierra-install-guide.230056/#post-1566950 - shows how to use an HP to build relatively simple OSX system.

I'm wondering if this version, https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HP-COMPA...163909?hash=item3d57ce9ec5:g:4LAAAOSw7z1aEFjt , which has an I5 rather than I3 and an AMD graphics card would work if I swapped out the G card?

Actually would I need to swap the card? Are Macs now Nvidia only?

Thanks for any advice.
 
Yes, you'd need to swap out the 6450 as it doesn't work with High Sierra. I've listed links to the i5-2400 versions in that guide so yes, they will work. Just make sure to use the SSDT.aml file provided for the i5-2400 CPU. Without it the cpu does not reach anything over 2.2 GHz of clock speed when using the iMac 12,2 system definition.
 
Many many thanks for the reply,

I confess I am somewhat baffled by the graphics card situation. I will need a slimline card and as I will be installing a retail Snow Leopard to start with one that is compatible with that OS. Thing is I can only find a few slimline nvidia cards on Amazon in the UK (eg - https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B003OCCKRW/?tag=tonymacx86-21 )- though I suspect its somewhat idiot search is hiding others - and naturally would like the best bang for my buck.

It looks like there are 'only' 2 GB cards available(?) I have a 6gb 1060 in my PC which is ample fast enough for everything, my old G4 power mac is a completely different story...

Could someone point me at a list of Snow Leopard compatible cards that can be obtained in a ssl format? I've looked here https://tonymacx86.blogspot.co.uk/2010/11/fully-compatible-nvidia-graphics-cards.html

but the link to the graphic card db takes me back to the home page.

I'd like a good powered card, but it obviously needs to be compatible with Snow Leopard and up and be slimline, which I suspect will restrict my choice.

Any help greatly appreciated.
 
You should be able to find both the GS8400 or the GT210 on Ebay UK. Probably the maximum Vram you'll get with these is 1 GB. They are both very old cards but will work with Snow Leopard and the current High Sierra. The GT 210 is the better choice for just basic graphics as it is slightly newer. Many come with 1 GB of Vram.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EVGA-GF-G...808752?hash=item2826b0bcf0:g:QmMAAOSw44BYVChf

Here's one that already has the LP bracket installed for you.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EVGA-NVI...067585?hash=item2cceeafc81:g:2cEAAOSw-29ZV8Ox
 
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Many thanks for such a quick reply,

So in order to run Snow Leopard I am kind of stuck with a low level card? There is no way of getting it to work with a more modern one?

If that's the case (which would be a shame) could you suggest a card that I could use once I have upgraded to High Sierra?

Many thanks once again.
 
Many thanks for such a quick reply,

So in order to run Snow Leopard I am kind of stuck with a low level card? There is no way of getting it to work with a more modern one?

If that's the case (which would be a shame) could you suggest a card that I could use once I have upgraded to High Sierra?
Once on High Sierra you can upgrade to a low profile GT 1030 or a LP GTX 1050 Ti or the 1050 non-Ti version. If you don't want to game the 80 dollar GT 1030 works quite well. All of these cards need the Nvidia web driver installed to work to their full potential when running macOS HS.
 
Hi,

Well the HP 8200 and Nvidia GT 210 are here and I've run smack into a problem. Put simply the power supply on the HP is only 240W and its a weird shaped propitiatory thing with what looks like propitiatory cabling to the mother board. No standard ATX plug or anything here. It doesn't have an additional 4 pin for a graphics card either. In fact it doesn't have any extra power cables other than a sata which is fed into a space for a floppy drive - yes sata versions of these do exist...

Problem is even though I might be able to get a Nvidia 1050ti that will fit (the 1060 is madly expensive thanks to all those Crypto miners out there <grrrr> ) It needs at least a 300 watt supply as does the non ti. I'm 60 watts down.

I looked at the possibility of getting an external GPU up and running as High Sierra will now support these over thunderbolt 2 but the thunderbolt pcie cards are stupid prices and the GPU enclosures are reeeely stupid prices. I mean £300+ ! That's almost a 1060 at today's daft prices. I'm not even sure that the Hackingtosh would even run Thunderbolt 2.

So what to do? I could just give up and use the GT210, I'd have a nice Mac to pay with but not a lot else, or is there a way around this?
 
The power supply on the HP is only 240W, what to do? I could just give up and use the GT210, I'd have a nice Mac to pay with but not a lot else...

The reason that the GTX 1050 Ti graphics card maker lists the minimum wattage requirement as 300W is because the majority of SFX and ATX power supplies designed for consumer builds start at that 300W rating. https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817256175

It's not because the card will not work with any PSU of a lower wattage rating. There's no reason to suggest using a 250W ATX PSU if you can't even buy one for a build today. It also gives a "margin of error factor" becuase of greater power demands from other parts of a custom build, more ram, hard drives, fans, lights etc. When you look for an ATX 12V PSU on Newegg the majority of lower end models are 300 to 350W. https://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&N=100007657 600014002 600014014

It used to be that discrete graphics cards that you could game with were only used in custom PC builds until the GTX 750 Ti came along in 2014. That was not intended for OEM business desktops but due to Youtube videos younger gamers without a lot of money found out it would work in refurb business desktops and give a decent gaming experience. So they now get a 3-5 y.o. Core i5 desktop for 80-150 dollars and add in the 750 Ti or newer 1050 Ti to have a decent gaming rig for a small amount of money.

If you look through the HP 6300/8300 guide you will see many people are already using a 1050 Ti with that HP SFF desktop. That also has the exact same 240W PSU made by HP. The 1050 or 1050 Ti only draws about 70w max from the PCI-e x16 slot on the HP motherboard. Even if you upgrade the CPU to an i7-2600 and install a 1050 Ti gfx card, you will not draw more than about 140W of power from the wall, even when maxing out your HP 8200 with stress testing or gaming. That gives you a 100W safety margin and not much to worry about. These are very efficient, high quality power supplies as the HP Pro and Elite lines sold for 1,200 to 1,600 USD when new. They came with 3-4 year hardware warranties. Putting junk 240W power supplies in them would only cause them to lose a lot of money for warranty PSU replacements at their expense.

No one, in any threads I've seen, have reported any problems using their 1050 Ti with that PSU. So you can thank Nvidia for making their Pascal cards so efficient that they will work with these older HP desktops.

Start here: https://www.tonymacx86.com/threads/...ffordable-customac.224812/page-2#post-1529466 scroll through the posts and see how many are using a 1050 Ti with the exact same 240W PSU that is in the HP 6200. (I'd estimate about 50%) Even those that have the MT version and a 320W PSU only use power drawn from the motherboard slot, not additional 6 pin power adapters.

Note that you have to get the LP (low profile version) of the 1050 Ti and also install the web drivers for it to work properly.

If that doesn't convince you enough that a 1050 Ti will work, watch this video and see the results.

 
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Hi trs96,

Thank you once again for such a comprehencive post and such good news. The hp psu is actually a clever design as its fan also cools the main hard drive. Had it been a more standard type then I would have replaced it with a good make gold level psu, and wasted my money doing so.

Now all I need to do macize the hp. The links you"ve posted are really helpful.

Huge thanks once again.
 
Well I guess a lot of folk hit a hurdle when installing OSX and I am sadly no exception. I have a new 1tb sata hd installed have set the HP to factory defaults (which in my case enabled AHCI) and am following the instructions here - https://www.tonymacx86.com/threads/...cos-sierra-install-guide.230056/#post-1574984 which states I don't need Unibeast to install Snow Leopard. I found that I had to press enter after inserting the retail Snow Leopard dvd, otherwise the system just sat at the iBoot logo saying it had an OSX install disk.

Things start to work, I get the Apple logo and a spinning cartwheel spoke timing thing and then the screen goes light grey.

At that point everything stops. I get no prompts and the dvd spins down.

Any ideas where I need to look to debug?

Many thanks in advance.
 
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