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Gigabyte Z490 Vision D (Thunderbolt 3) + i5-10400 + AMD RX 580

Hello @Josu,

I am seriously considering whether or not to build a mini-ITX system. If I decide to do this, my preference would be for the Gigabyte Z590I motherboard and Rocket Lake CPU. This board has two Thunderbolt 3 ports. However, I have not yet decided!

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Looks like MSI has some really tempting options for Z590:
  • MEG Z590i Unify (Mini-ITX) for about US $420
    • Two Thunderbolt 4 ports and two Mini-DP In ports in a mini-ITX form factor!
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  • MEG Z590 ACE for about US $500
    • Two Thunderbolt 4 ports and two Mini-DP In ports.
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  • MEG Z590 Godlike for about US $1000
    • Again two Thunderbolt 4 ports and two Mini-DP Inputs.
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Looks like MSI has some really tempting options for Z590:
Is TB4/USB 4 going to be supported on Intel Macs?
 
So, I have tried with SIP enabled and disabled. Doesn't make any change in the behavior - still gets a KP. I have not tried enabling iV225 port, and trying out those things you've mentioned but I will. As I have to do a complete install to see if it fails, this may take a bit of time.

Odd that 11.3 of Big Sur works just fine with the same EFI config on the same hardware.....I wonder what Apple changed with that new supplemental security update.

But thanks again for your quick response! I'll let you know what I find out.....

Some Follow-up:

Brief synopsis: I was unable to update with some of the security supplemental updates for Catalina with my machine as I was getting KPs at startup, forcing a full restore to regain control of my machine. Very annoying. @CaseySJ offered some suggestions, but none worked unfortunately.

As my issue with KPs related to the networking portion of my system, which is currently configured with an iMacPro profile, I remembered that I had a problem logging in to messages because I had no en0 in my networking config. I originally had disabled both of the networking parameters in the BIOS as I was using an OWC Thunderbolt 10Gb adapter and didn't think I needed them. I was wrong, and to fix that problem and restore en0 to my networking config, I re-enabled both networking references in the Gigabyte BIOS. Then I was able to login to messages again.

However, that created this new problem. Through some experimentation, I finally found the correct configuration parameters that allowed me to keep an en0 in my networking config, continue to login to messages and also end the continuous KPs I was getting.

So, for the few of you who might be still on Catalina and have had similar issues installing these supplemental updates, I am attaching a screen shot of my BIOS config that solved the problem.

Disabling "Onboard LAN Controller" and enabling "PCH LAN Controller" fixed it for me. Don't know how this will work for others, but I thought I would offer this just in case anyone else is having issues like this.

EDIT: One more important detail: you MUST enable Intelmausi kext on your system, or something like it to get the Intel interface (which on these boards is en0) as en0 listed and, I think it's important that it must recognized as "up" in macOS (ifconfig | grep "en0"). You do not have to plug anything into it, just enable it. The 2.5 Gb interface is completely irrelevant (except if you want to use it - I don't), and in my system, it is not enabled nor is it enabled in the Device Properties listing either. (As noted in other posts, I use my OWC Thunderbolt !0Gb interface for any wired connections, so the 2.5 ethernet interface is not important to me).
 

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Looks like MSI has some really tempting options for Z590:
I’m strongly considering ditching Gigabyte and coming back to MSI. The only reason why I got the Z490 Vision D is because the MSI Z490 ACE didn’t have Thunderbolt. But the Vision D is quirky and is unstable in ways that my MSI Z170 was not. I do prefer the look of Gigabyte’s BIOS however.

No product is perfect I know that. But the quality control of Gigabyte is somewhat suspect.
  • RGB fusion is a joke.
  • Their SIV tool to control the fans is buggy and doesn’t always work. Whenever I change the fan curve, many times nothing happens. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn’t. I’ve used an NZXT fan controller that works well.
  • Remember when they released a firmware update tool for the Vision D RGB controller that crashed the firmware, rendering it impossible to connect to it?
  • Then they released a recent f20a beta BIOS was so bad that the system got stuck in a boot loop and the only way to recover was to do flashback?
  • And the f7c BIOS has memory stability issues, causing crashes especially when resuming from sleep?
  • Even some of the Gigabyte Z590 manuals and descriptions on the website have mistakes in grammar.
  • Then the description of the Z590 Vision D states the board includes an Intel AX210 chip with Wi-Fi 6e, but then oddly states that this chip supports 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz with no mention of 6 GHz...even though 6E is supposed to include 6 GHz.
  • Then the manual for the z590 vision d contradicts the website and states the board includes the Intel ax200 (Wi-Fi 6). So which is it Wi-Fi 6e or Wi-Fi 6?
  • Then the description of the z590 vision boards don’t even mention how many power stages the vision motherboards have... but gigabyte includes this info for their Aorus z590 boards, and did so for the z490 Vision D.
These issues make me feel like there’s not enough attention to detail. I know no company is perfect so I don’t want to kick gigabyte. But I’m strongly considering the z590 Ace. But Alder Lake is on the horizon! So I’m torn. Do I keep the buggy vision d and wait for alder lake, or do I replace the z490 vision d with a z590 option.
 
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Yes, in fact it is already supported in Big Sur. @joevt posted a nice summary here about 3 weeks ago. Goshen Ridge TB4/USB4 controller is already supported.
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Does this mean Thunderbolt Bus on a non flashed Thunderbolt 4 controller? Also, Goshen Ridge is the Thunderbolt 4 chipset in hubs/docks while Maple Ridgeis the chipset in hosts. If Goshen Ridge is already supported, then perhaps Maple Ridge is too...
 
Glad to hear it! The SSDT method is recommended. It is a tried-and-true solution.


This can be a tricky matter for which there is no hard-and-fast remedy. It's best to use current generation monitors, which is to say monitors that (a) don't have DVI or VGA inputs, but instead have (b) HDMI and (c) DisplayPort inputs. I would also encourage you to experiment with different resolution settings just to see whether they have any impact.
Ok, so I've tried the SSDT method - unfortunately same graphic glitches as before with the bootflag that weren't there with no Nvidia card installed. At least it seems somewhat stable while running some benchmarks (Valley)... but I had two freezes during some browsing :(

Also, rebooting or shutting down seems to cause some error as I get a garbled screen (the one attached to the iGPU) and the computes does not shut down or restart properly.
 
Does this mean Thunderbolt Bus on a non flashed Thunderbolt 4 controller?
This is our ardent wish, but we won't know until someone Hacks a Z590 board!
Also, Goshen Ridge is the Thunderbolt 4 chipset in hubs/docks while Maple Ridge is the chipset in hosts. If Goshen Ridge is already supported, then perhaps Maple Ridge is too...
If an Intel-based revision is coming to the Mac Pro, it makes sense for it to support Thunderbolt 4 and hence Maple Ridge. It also makes sense for that new Mac Pro to support AMD Radeon 6000. So I think we should follow the Mac Pro rumor mill.
 
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This is our ardent wish, but we won't know until someone Hacks a Z590 board!
We'll ķnow soon, as Z590 finally makes it to market!
 
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