[SOLVED] Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080/1070

[asiga]

I did a fresh install of Ubuntu 16.04.1 yesterday and shared a couple first-minute impressions in THIS thread - so we can keep talking about this there? I am interested in this myself.

Posted in that thread. I think I can get a Mac-friendly environment in Ubuntu, read my post in that thread.

 

[Richard325]

onmybikedrunk - thanks for posting the response from a Nvidia OS X driver engineer.

He ended the conversation by saying what we all know - for power users it's obvious that Apple doesn't need or want to cater to our needs/business so maybe it's time to start exploring other options.

Very disappointing!!!

 

[Wolfie81]

Has anyone bold enough considered sending an email to Cook? Have a go at him for wanting to buy Apple products but no longer catering to powerful user needs. Therefore ask him to give Hack users the green light with Nvidia?

Being stuck in a rock and hard place etc...

 

[zakklol]

Sending feedback to Cook about the position of power users is valid feedback and certainly worthy of an email. Asking him to 'give Nvidia the green light' is going to just get ignored or come across as weird; no one anywhere has any real proof that Apple has a hand in this. It's equally possible Nvidia just doesn't care enough to expend the resources.

Obviously anyone can email him whatever they want; I'm just saying that feedback like this is most effective when it is grounded in facts.

 

[izo1]

I don't see anything special about the kext signatures that indicate they are 'approved' or signed by Apple any more than any other signed bundle/kext released by anyone else. They're just signed with Nvidia's dev key, that obviously has kext signing capabilities. Apple DOES approve the addition of kext signing to a cert, but they do it primarily to prevent people from signing kexts that bypass system security.

If Apple removes certs from nVidia, nVidia cannot release drivers. It's up to Apple's discretion -- I am sure Apple knows Hackintoshes eat away from their Mac sales, but not sure if it's significant enough for them to completely shun future drivers from nVidia for new GPUs. I am sure they read these forums.

Someone posted the CEO of nVidia's reply here, and he said without Apple it's hard to do anything, so I assume Apple is non-responsive in terms of nVidias requests -- maybe for new certs for Pascal?

 

[izo1]

things do not need to be recognized by Apple. Do you think every usb device/product that works in os x was made by people that sat down with Apple and got their blessing? Apple wouldnt survive in the desktop market if every developer needed to kiss their ring. I have a yamaha usb device, and im pretty sure the kext to make it run was developed without having to go through apple. NVIDIA doesnt need apple. Apple is the one that will potentially need NVIDIA. Why? NVIDIA can make their cards run on Apple without apples permission. Apple will only order mass NVIDIA cards when the NVIDIA cards make the most economical sense. This will happen even if Apple is "mad" at NVIDIA over "supporting hackintosh" (which merely making cards work in Macos does not innately equal "they support hackintosh!", but even if they openly did), since Apple has to choose the best card at any given moment despite their "feelings". Apple isnt going to lose millions over a tantrum. They have investors. In any case, I said **** it, and got a 980 ti (selling my 1070).

Does your Yamaha patch kexts and replace previous kexts that were made by Apple? No it doesn't.

nVidia WebDrivers are more complicated than people think. And drivers for macOS are not the same as drivers for Windows.

SIP is there for a reason and unsigned drivers without proper certification will not be installed.

Also usually most audio products don't need drivers in macOS.

 

[izo1]

Has anyone bold enough considered sending an email to Cook? Have a go at him for wanting to buy Apple products but no longer catering to powerful user needs. Therefore ask him to give Hack users the green light with Nvidia?

Being stuck in a rock and hard place etc...

Go for it. They read the emails and sometimes he reads them too (like Steve used to do himself). I've emailed Tim before for other reasons (disappointments etc for certain products) and they've called me on my phone directly and/or have emailed me.

 

[Stauff1138]

Any company with valid credentials can get driver signing certs. Video driver SDK is delivered to nvidia as to others. If I decide to make video cards it's perfectly possible to get certificate.

So no, it's definitely not a cert issue

 

[dungeonseeker]

Sending feedback to Cook about the position of power users is valid feedback and certainly worthy of an email. Asking him to 'give Nvidia the green light' is going to just get ignored or come across as weird; no one anywhere has any real proof that Apple has a hand in this. It's equally possible Nvidia just doesn't care enough to expend the resources.

Obviously anyone can email him whatever they want; I'm just saying that feedback like this is most effective when it is grounded in facts.

They care enough to expand 365.15 support to Sierra 10.12.2 which took work on their part, Windows & macOS drivers from Nvidia share the same codebase, it wouldn't have been much more work to move onto 371 and add Pascal support while they were adding support for .2 yet they didn't, they stuck with the exact same version they have released 3 times now.

Personally I think Tim Cook has emailed Jen Shun and said something like "if you ever want to do business with us again I'd be very grateful if you'd stop updating your webdriver package and supporting hackintoshes, please".

There's no reason for Nvidia to not release unless Apple are dangling a carrot in front of them.

 

[zakklol]

I find it hard to swallow a scenario where Apple feels threatened enough by hackintoshes the they apparently lean on Nvidia to not release Pascal drivers (yet let them continue to release Maxwell drivers, an architecture that has never existed on a mac ever), but don't implement 'anti hackintosh' measures in the base OS to any real degree. They're clearly not THAT threatened here.

Also no one (except for a handful of Nvidia engineers) knows how hard it would be to move to 371 on OSX. OSX has the added complication of requiring they write a Metal driver, which doesn't exist on any other platform. Maybe they could reuse a lot of what they've done for maxwell/kepler/fermi, or maybe it's way more complicated than that. Who knows. Certainly not us.