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[trs96]

My bad I guess I missed they opened up licensing to everyone. However, AMD is still required to get certification from Intel so are they still paying them something?

It's royalty free as Intel stated in the release. I'd guess they're not paying anything but I'm not 100% sure on that.

enabling other chip makers to build Thunderbolt compatible silicon, royalty-free

 

[scottkendall]

It's royalty free as Intel stated in the release. I'd guess they're not paying anything but not 100% on that.

Yes, I read that but Intel still has to certify all TB3 devices just because they allow them to use the tech royalty-free does not mean free certification or does it?

 

[trs96]

Yes, I read that but Intel still has to certify all TB3 devices just because they allow them to use the tech royalty-free does not mean free certification or does it?

I would ask the TB3 expert here that goes by the handle @CaseySJ

 

[Feartech]

I would ask the TB3 expert here that goes by the handle @CaseySJ

you mean drag him away from his own thread....

 

[dhinakg]

Regarding Adobe, I've heard reports that trying products updated for Big Sur resolves the crashing issues. I don't use Adobe products so I haven't been able to corroborate myself, however.

 

[scottkendall]

Regarding Adobe, I've heard reports that trying products updated for Big Sur resolves the crashing issues. I don't use Adobe products so I haven't been able to corroborate myself, however.

Adobe has not even resolved the issues of crashing on intel with Big Sur at least when it comes to Acrobat DC.

 

[CaseySJ]

I would ask the TB3 expert here that goes by the handle @CaseySJ

you mean drag him away from his own thread....

Apple and Intel codeveloped Thunderbolt as a successor to Apple's Firewire.

Speculation Zone:

• Thunderbolt may still be royalty-based if advertised and sold as Thunderbolt.
• USB4 (no space between 'USB' and '4'), however, is royalty-free and includes the Thunderbolt 3 spec.
• Devices marketed and sold as USB4 will be royalty-free.
• Apple's rumored 14-inch MacBook Pro based on Apple Silicon is expected to have USB4 ports.
• All devices on the market today that are sold as Thunderbolt 3 devices are still relatively expensive, thereby suggesting that royalties are being paid to Intel.
• USB4 protocol does not require every OEM to support Thunderbolt 3 because it requires an additional controller circuit (such as Titan Ridge).

According to Wikipedia: "Support of interoperability with Thunderbolt 3 products is optional for USB4 hosts and USB4 peripheral devices and required for USB4 hubs on its downward facing ports and for USB4-based docks on its downward and upward facing ports."

 

[trs96]

Thunderbolt may still be royalty-based if advertised and sold as Thunderbolt.

Yes, it looks like Intel is not giving up on making profits from Thunderbolt technology. Everything is only getting more confusing and messy. Here's how they are presenting their case of the superiority of TH4 over everything else out there. We'll probably soon see 400-500 dollar motherboards that have TH4 onboard. You'll be less confused but a lot poorer. Giving away TH3 to be included in the USB4 spec is kind of like throwing the table scraps to the dog.

 

[CaseySJ]

Yes, it looks like Intel is not giving up on making profits from Thunderbolt technology. Everything is only getting more confusing and messy. Here's how they are presenting their case of the superiority of TH4 over everything else out there. We'll probably soon see 400-500 dollar motherboards that have TH4 onboard. You'll be less confused but a lot poorer. Giving away TH3 to be included in the USB4 spec is kind of like throwing the table scraps to the dog.

Seems Thunderbolt 4 is being marketed as a high-end implementation of USB4. Something like a BMW with standard features versus fully loaded.

 

[trs96]

Seems Thunderbolt 4 is being marketed as a high-end implementation of USB4.

Seeing that we already have $300 TH3 docks, how high will the prices go for new TH4 docks ? Intel gets paid by the manufacturers of these too. Just to have the tiny lightning bolt symbol that shows it's superior.

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