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 Post subject: Re: Mac OS X 10.8 "Mountain Lion" Developer Build Announced
 Post Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 12:46 am 
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The "enterprise" market are the servers, storage and networking infrastructure. In terms of desktop PCs, companies want the "least common denominator" for their employees... a machine that has just enough horsepower and hardware to get the job done, i.e. cheap.

Everything used in the enterprise is part of the enterprise market, including workstations.

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IT heads, hardcore geeks don't have a love for Apple with their beautiful and expensive machines. But they're being forced to deal with it because the upper management and the end-users are demanding it. They have no choice.

Many IT staffers don't like learning new technologies; if they'd had their way, we'd still be on Windows 3.X. They complained vociferously about Windows 95 and 98, then howled about Windows 2000 and XP, and bellowed about Vista, 7, and 64-bit architectures. It only makes sense they'd be afraid of OSX, and they don't deserve the label of "hardcore geeks." Real geeks appreciate good technology -- these guys would have us using Dell Dimension 3000s, 32-bit XP, and IE 6 forever.

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In a way, Macs are getting in the enterprise scene (with the end users at least)... via the backdoor.

There were always Macs in some enterprises, and according to various sources, the OSX presence is increasing. It doesn't hurt that $1000 all-in-one iMacs can be had, machines that are not just pretty but highly functional, being easy to use, interoperable with other technologies including Windows, and resistant to the malware that plagues the Windows world. In fact, today I interviewed for a network support position in an organization with 27,000 PCs, and was told many of them are Macs. (If I get the job, I may just get a real Mac.)


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 Post subject: Re: Mac OS X 10.8 "Mountain Lion" Developer Build Announced
 Post Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:55 am 
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Fully support of GTX 570 graphics card, no modifications needed at all (of course GraphicsEnabler=YES), running at full res even smoother than a patched Lion. It's like native.

Congratulations to its owners!


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 Post subject: Re: Mac OS X 10.8 "Mountain Lion" Developer Build Announced
 Post Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:00 am 
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There have to be tens or even hundreds of millions like me, who find OSX dazzling and would instantly buy a licensed-for-non-Apple-hardware copy were it to be offered.


Maybe. Maybe not. We really have no way of knowing. I don't doubt that some number of people would buy OS X for generic Intel. That, by itself, is not a reason for Apple to start selling it. Like any other business, it needs to decide where to put resources. They need to weigh the potential of a generic OS X against the potential of each alternative use of those resources.

But, in fact, I see Apple going more and more in the other direction. I don't think it wants to swim in the same morass of backwards compatibility as Microsoft and have to react to vendor hardware changes like Microsoft. The primary reason MS is always behind on the innovation curve is that it has no choice but to drag yesterday's hardware along with it.

E.g., Mountain Lion won't work on a few Apple machines from a few years ago. We hear some grousing, but nothing will happen. Imagine, though, if Microsoft announced that Windows 8 will not run on Intel hardware made before January, 2009.

The near future is one of integration of iOS and OS X and a hardening of the dependencies of that software on specific Apple hardware.

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 Post subject: Re: Mac OS X 10.8 "Mountain Lion" Developer Build Announced
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hope it's ok to ask

any idea if this will be a paid upgrade?

same price as Lion, download full version for $29.99 ??


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 Post subject: Re: Mac OS X 10.8 "Mountain Lion" Developer Build Announced
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musiclee wrote:
hope it's ok to ask

any idea if this will be a paid upgrade?

same price as Lion, download full version for $29.99 ??

Apple being Apple, they probably would charge :(
The price should be a bit lower imo but it depends on the changes I think.
You just have to :beachball:


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 Post subject: Re: Mac OS X 10.8 "Mountain Lion" Developer Build Announced
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Maybe. Maybe not. We really have no way of knowing. I don't doubt that some number of people would buy OS X for generic Intel. That, by itself, is not a reason for Apple to start selling it. Like any other business, it needs to decide where to put resources. They need to weigh the potential of a generic OS X against the potential of each alternative use of those resources.

Modifying OSX to run on generic hardware would be simple. (Heck, we're doing it.) And Apple, now that they're "on their own," may be re-evaluating Jobs' stance on licensing OSX for other hardware. Their internal research may be suggesting that PC software margins are more lucrative than hardware ones, and that they have a chance to take away significant market share from Microsoft.

Back in the Sixties, Pontiac sold a famous muscle car called the GTO ... unlike its GM stablemates, the GTO did not have a rear sway bar, apparently because division head John Z. De Lorean did not believe in them. Eventually, De Lorean was promoted, and lo and behold, the GTO finally got its rear stabilizer bar.

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But, in fact, I see Apple going more and more in the other direction. I don't think it wants to swim in the same morass of backwards compatibility as Microsoft and have to react to vendor hardware changes like Microsoft. The primary reason MS is always behind on the innovation curve is that it has no choice but to drag yesterday's hardware along with it.

It's debatable that Microsoft's behind the technical curve (ask Novell, DEC, Wang, etc.), but I don't want to stray too far off-topic.

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E.g., Mountain Lion won't work on a few Apple machines from a few years ago. We hear some grousing, but nothing will happen. Imagine, though, if Microsoft announced that Windows 8 will not run on Intel hardware made before January, 2009.

I suspect the main reason for not supporting older hardware is to encourage the sale of new hardware and dodge issues with gradual failure that naturally occur with older hardware (like failing lasers, bad capacitors, and surge damage).


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 Post subject: Re: Mac OS X 10.8 "Mountain Lion" Developer Build Announced
 Post Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:05 pm 
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Modifying OSX to run on generic hardware would be simple. (Heck, we're doing it.) And Apple, now that they're "on their own," may be re-evaluating Jobs' stance on licensing OSX for other hardware. Their internal research may be suggesting that PC software margins are more lucrative than hardware ones, and that they have a chance to take away significant market share from Microsoft.


There is no way on earth Apple would do this - in my opinion they simply couldn't do it even if they wanted to - Imagine the absolutely vast combination of hardware devices that they would have to support. I believe its more likely Apple are headed in the total opposite direction and the signs are already starting to show - I believe not only do they wish to contain the hardware available for you to use but now also the software. Mountain Lion is the seed for this as its now starting to prompt you if you try and install an application outside of the app store (although oddly not if its an app on a network drive that could have been downloaded from anywhere and riddled with any number of malware). I can see a future release where any app downloaded outside of the app store and not signed by Apple will simply not be installable.

Just my 2 cents and you can keep the change lol

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 Post subject: Re: Mac OS X 10.8 "Mountain Lion" Developer Build Announced
 Post Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:24 pm 
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Sorry but some of you guys are really dreaming!!
Why should Apple make OS X capable to run every hardware? That they need to write 100.000 more drivers and destroy the best OS in the world and someday get like Windows ??
And if Apple would do that, think about it, there would be more viruses and trojans and whatever for OS X, because more people would use it. :banghead: :banghead:

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The price should be a bit lower imo

OS X costs like 1/6 of Windows and you still think 30$ is expensive :?: C'mon :banghead: :banghead:

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 Post subject: Re: Mac OS X 10.8 "Mountain Lion" Developer Build Announced
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Does anyone else remember in the 90's when Gil Amelio about drove the company into the ground by licensing Mac OS to clones and actual Mac sales plummeted?

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 Post subject: Re: Mac OS X 10.8 "Mountain Lion" Developer Build Announced
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Coupz wrote:
Sorry but some of you guys are really dreaming!!
Why should Apple make OS X capable to run every hardware? That they need to write 100.000 more drivers and destroy the best OS in the world and someday get like Windows ??
And if Apple would do that, think about it, there would be more viruses and trojans and whatever for OS X, because more people would use it. :banghead: :banghead:

crazychum wrote:
The price should be a bit lower imo

OS X costs like 1/6 of Windows and you still think 30$ is expensive :?: C'mon :banghead: :banghead:
............. sorry for the inconvenience.
I mean that in any case, the software does not cost so little, as there is a very high initial cost, for Mac

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