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Hi fellow digital media friends !
we are several member looking for informations on the C612 platform and there are quite a good amount of post regarding either C612, XEONV3, and ECC DDR4.
I do understand that the vast majority of the members just look to build a "cheaper than original" mac whatever, this is good !
But for some of us, we are just trying to build the machine that apple never issued = a real professional reliable and expandable work station.
so some of us send "message in a bottle" to figure out if C612 could be doable or not, and all what we get back is the inevitable "build a X99, that is plenty enough, you overkill snob" ...
the thing is that professional world need some stuff that 99% of the enthusiast dont need.
we can't be on windows because of Apple ProRes codec and quicktime.
we need Nvidia graphic card because 99% of the OSX imaging software rely on CUDA acceleration.
we need at least 40 gen 3 PCIE lane to deal with the raid cards and multiple GPU.
we need thunderbolt because the vast majority of fast professional ingesting ciné dock and external hard drive are in thunderbolt.
we need stupidly high internal power redondant PSU for the raid cards an the GPU at full throttle.
we need ECC memory for stability and for not having glitches on an export that take 6 hour...
we need more than 64 Gb of memory to use all the cores at their full potential and still have some room for ram disk to put scratch and cache files.
by the time you do a maxed out X99 you still not breaking the barrier of 40 PCIE lane and you actually comme close to the price of a used 12 cores 2012 MacPro which would be the same speed except it won't have thunderbolt...
All the feed back that i have regarding maxed out X99 mother board look like the X99 mother board were never designed at the first place for the amount of stress that we put on the xeon with 4 K raw debayering, and they just fry one after the others.
I guess they where never realy designed for being 120% maxed out with big ultrafast raid array AND multi very high end GPU... any how from an investment point , a maxed out X99 won't be so much cheaper that a resonable but yet very expendable C612 config.
this is what i am talking about :
super micro SYS-7048GR-TR = 2000$
2 x E5_2630_V3 = 1000$
128 Gb of DDR4 ECC ram = 1600$
total = +/- 4500$
high end X99 mobo = 600$
high end chassis = 400$
high end 1200 redondant PSU =800$
high end I7 cpu = 1000$
64 gb of hi end DDR4 non ECC= 900$
total = 3700$
The xeon configuration have 80 PCIE lane, twice more ram and still can go up to 768 Gb, the processors can be upgraded later, you can fit 7 double with PCIE cards, etc...
the way I see it is that for most of the work, the 1000$ difference in price tag is just shouting for = DONT DO A MAXED OUT X99 and go straight to the point = if you need a MAXED OUT X99 just buy a C612 period.
Single core performance won't really matter versus being able to run 4 high end GPU along ultrafast raid cards, with the peace of mind of having a very reliable quality hardware designed to work 24/7 on very high stress.
and if you absolutely need more power you can step up to two 900$ CPU that will give you 18 cores...
I dont mind spending 2K if I can have my job done faster and without having to make pause to let the system cool down...
Apple will eventually upgrade the trash pro with XEON V3 and then we would even have support for stepping/sleep/hyper treading/ etc...
we could all work in the same direction trying to make that thing happened !
who is in ?
we are several member looking for informations on the C612 platform and there are quite a good amount of post regarding either C612, XEONV3, and ECC DDR4.
I do understand that the vast majority of the members just look to build a "cheaper than original" mac whatever, this is good !
But for some of us, we are just trying to build the machine that apple never issued = a real professional reliable and expandable work station.
so some of us send "message in a bottle" to figure out if C612 could be doable or not, and all what we get back is the inevitable "build a X99, that is plenty enough, you overkill snob" ...
the thing is that professional world need some stuff that 99% of the enthusiast dont need.
we can't be on windows because of Apple ProRes codec and quicktime.
we need Nvidia graphic card because 99% of the OSX imaging software rely on CUDA acceleration.
we need at least 40 gen 3 PCIE lane to deal with the raid cards and multiple GPU.
we need thunderbolt because the vast majority of fast professional ingesting ciné dock and external hard drive are in thunderbolt.
we need stupidly high internal power redondant PSU for the raid cards an the GPU at full throttle.
we need ECC memory for stability and for not having glitches on an export that take 6 hour...
we need more than 64 Gb of memory to use all the cores at their full potential and still have some room for ram disk to put scratch and cache files.
by the time you do a maxed out X99 you still not breaking the barrier of 40 PCIE lane and you actually comme close to the price of a used 12 cores 2012 MacPro which would be the same speed except it won't have thunderbolt...
All the feed back that i have regarding maxed out X99 mother board look like the X99 mother board were never designed at the first place for the amount of stress that we put on the xeon with 4 K raw debayering, and they just fry one after the others.
I guess they where never realy designed for being 120% maxed out with big ultrafast raid array AND multi very high end GPU... any how from an investment point , a maxed out X99 won't be so much cheaper that a resonable but yet very expendable C612 config.
this is what i am talking about :
super micro SYS-7048GR-TR = 2000$
2 x E5_2630_V3 = 1000$
128 Gb of DDR4 ECC ram = 1600$
total = +/- 4500$
high end X99 mobo = 600$
high end chassis = 400$
high end 1200 redondant PSU =800$
high end I7 cpu = 1000$
64 gb of hi end DDR4 non ECC= 900$
total = 3700$
The xeon configuration have 80 PCIE lane, twice more ram and still can go up to 768 Gb, the processors can be upgraded later, you can fit 7 double with PCIE cards, etc...
the way I see it is that for most of the work, the 1000$ difference in price tag is just shouting for = DONT DO A MAXED OUT X99 and go straight to the point = if you need a MAXED OUT X99 just buy a C612 period.
Single core performance won't really matter versus being able to run 4 high end GPU along ultrafast raid cards, with the peace of mind of having a very reliable quality hardware designed to work 24/7 on very high stress.
and if you absolutely need more power you can step up to two 900$ CPU that will give you 18 cores...
I dont mind spending 2K if I can have my job done faster and without having to make pause to let the system cool down...
Apple will eventually upgrade the trash pro with XEON V3 and then we would even have support for stepping/sleep/hyper treading/ etc...
we could all work in the same direction trying to make that thing happened !
who is in ?