[SUCCESS] Gigabyte Designare Z390 (Thunderbolt 3) + i7-9700K + AMD RX 580

[CaseySJ]

Quick question (and no, I’m not using OC on my Z390 Designare, I ask for another hack): why should we change from disabled to « Default »?

The instruction I provided are for installing Monterey and Ventura, where SecureBootModel should be set to Default. After the OS is fully installed we can toggle SecureBootModel on or off for various purposes if we need to.

 

[jiffyslot]

The instruction I provided are for installing Monterey and Ventura, where SecureBootModel should be set to Default. After the OS is fully installed we can toggle SecureBootModel on or off for various purposes if we need to.

Hi Casey. Have you set up ApECID? Or are you just using a SecureBootModel value on its own?

 

[CaseySJ]

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I haven't tested this update because I'am on another hack based on MSI Z490.
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Have you performed any interesting experiments or made any interesting discoveries on Z490 or any other platform?

Have you experimented with Maple Ridge?

 

[CaseySJ]

Hi Casey. Have you set up ApECID? Or are you just using a SecureBootModel value on its own?

I’ve not used a personal Apple Enclave ID although the procedure isn’t too complicated. Although it’s good to have the option for tight security that makes the system more tamper-proof, there’s a trade-off between security and flexibility.

With ApECID a network connection is necessary when installing macOS.

 

[mattbatt]

Hi @CaseySJ, I'm running Monterey 12.6.1, and a Radeon Frontier: do I need to do the graphic fix you explained in this post? (https://www.tonymacx86.com/threads/...0k-amd-rx-6800-xt.318311/page-79#post-2313032)

I cannot find my specific graphic card key. In my config.plist in text mode, there is no <key> with my PCI string.

I ask this because I am still (after about a year) trying to figure out why my Frontier will intermittently flash all lights and freeze the system. (Mainly during video editing but every once in a while browsing the web [but I do have about 500 tabs open. I do web design).

I just updated to OC 0.8.8 and have not seen if the freezing goes away but I'm skeptical.

It's become so frustrating, I'm ready to give up and build a new system. Thanks for any advice.

 

[CaseySJ]

Hi @CaseySJ, I'm running Monterey 12.6.1, and a Radeon Frontier: do I need to do the graphic fix you explained in this post? (https://www.tonymacx86.com/threads/...0k-amd-rx-6800-xt.318311/page-79#post-2313032)

Hello @mattbatt,

Fortunately Apple fixed that problem some time ago. Because you’re running 12.6.x, that procedure does not apply and is not needed.

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I ask this because I am still (after about a year) trying to figure out why my Frontier will intermittently flash all lights and freeze the system. (Mainly during video editing but every once in a while browsing the web [but I do have about 500 tabs open. I do web design).

Ouch; sorry to hear that. Having hundreds of browser tabs open should not affect the GPU unless active graphics operations are taking place inside those tabs. I would expect system memory to fill up, causing some amount of swap file usage to occur.

Is the Radeon Frontier a Vega-class GPU? Do you have access to any recent AMD models? Perhaps even the option to borrow from someone who does?

 

[mattbatt]

Hello @mattbatt,

Fortunately Apple fixed that problem some time ago. Because you’re running 12.6.x, that procedure does not apply and is not needed.


Ouch; sorry to hear that. Having hundreds of browser tabs open should not affect the GPU unless active graphics operations are taking place inside those tabs. I would expect system memory to fill up, causing some amount of swap file usage to occur.

Is the Radeon Frontier a Vega-class GPU? Do you have access to any recent AMD models? Perhaps even the option to borrow from someone who does?

Yes it is the pro version of the Vega 64 (16 GB RAM, 10 bit video out) so I've been using your Vega 64 aml since 2018. Today I learned that XMP memory profiles should be used with 32 GB or less of memory, I have 64 GB DDR4 3200. So in BIOS I put in my timings manually, upped the voltage, lowered the RAM to 3100 MHZ and disabled XMP. So far, things in Mac OS are more snappy.
Blackmagic Raw went from 40 fps on CPU to 52, and 98 FPS on GPU to 150 FPS just by changing BIOS RAM settings
I don't know if the freezing is fixed because it is so intermittent.
Here's my logic: it will cost me $3,601.46 (with education discount) to buy a Mac Studio base (10 Core, 32 core GPU, 1 TB HD) because I need to buy external PCI case and external thunderbolt case for my set up of cards and hard drives.
It will cost me $1,885 to build an 19-13900k with 6950XT with Z690 (and using parts from my current hackintosh). Maybe $2,000 if I buy super fast RAM.

So I'm still $1,600 cheaper doing a hackintosh now

 

[CaseySJ]

@mattbatt

If the Designare proves to be reliable after modifying BIOS memory settings, then that’s the least disruptive option.

If you are forced to consider a change, note that Mac Studio, like all other Apple Silicon Macs, does not support external GPUs. If the Thunderbolt or external “cards” you referred to are not GPUs, then no worries.

An Alder Lake or Raptor Lake Hackintosh is a good option. Raptor Lake (13th Gen) may require some BIOS parameter tweaks to avoid sleep/wake issues. There are a fair amount of posts on this topic here on TonyMac.

 

[zipb]

Yes it is the pro version of the Vega 64 (16 GB RAM, 10 bit video out) so I've been using your Vega 64 aml since 2018. Today I learned that XMP memory profiles should be used with 32 GB or less of memory, I have 64 GB DDR4 3200. So in BIOS I put in my timings manually, upped the voltage, lowered the RAM to 3100 MHZ and disabled XMP. So far, things in Mac OS are more snappy.
Blackmagic Raw went from 40 fps on CPU to 52, and 98 FPS on GPU to 150 FPS just by changing BIOS RAM settings
I don't know if the freezing is fixed because it is so intermittent.
Here's my logic: it will cost me $3,601.46 (with education discount) to buy a Mac Studio base (10 Core, 32 core GPU, 1 TB HD) because I need to buy external PCI case and external thunderbolt case for my set up of cards and hard drives.
It will cost me $1,885 to build an 19-13900k with 6950XT with Z690 (and using parts from my current hackintosh). Maybe $2,000 if I buy super fast RAM.

So I'm still $1,600 cheaper doing a hackintosh now

I am in the same boat. Mac Studio upgrade: 4k. Z690/DDR5/I7 13700: 1k(reusing most of my current z390 setup)

But I need TB to work(for audiointerfaces and storage, network not so important), 10 GbE, 1 GbE x 2, WIFI, UAD Quad PCIe card. Lack of PCIe slots/lanes in Z690 and Z790 mobo's.

Not sure about the fast and slow cores of Alder Lake and Raptor Lake and DAW use. Might mean a project works one day, not the other.

 

[etorix]

But I need TB to work(for audiointerfaces and storage, network not so important), 10 GbE, 1 GbE x 2, WIFI, UAD Quad PCIe card. Lack of PCIe slots/lanes in Z690 and Z790 mobo's.

Not sure why you want three Ethernet interfaces where one should be enough…
Asus Z690 ProArt Creator has pretty much everything onboard if you can do with cold-plug TB (MapleRidge) and "storage" is NOT a Thunderbolt DAS.
If not, your requirements boil down to:
- one x4 slot for TB;
- one x4-x8 slot for 10 GbE if not onboard;
- one x1 slot for the UAD.
This does not look so hard to find. In the worst case, you may use an adapter to get an extra PCIe slot from a M.2 slot, which are plenty on modern motherboards.

Not sure about the fast and slow cores of Alder Lake and Raptor Lake and DAW use. Might mean a project works one day, not the other.

It it THAT dramatic? I've yet to read a report of actual performance issues from the hybrid architecture in actual workload, as opposed to theoretical concerns.
And if so, it is still possible to go for a CPU without E cores, or to disable E cores in BIOS (in which case Raptor Lake is not the best choice).