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Sorry I missed that. I have 4630. Would update change anything in my efi setup?
In the Catalina Installation guide, we have this message:

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To upgrade from Clover 4xxx to Clover 5xxx, please see this:

Please make a full bootable backup ahead of time...or at the very minimum, backup the entire existing EFI partition on a USB flash disk so it can be used for emergency reboot.
 
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The day before the keynote I asked how long Mojave users expect to stay on Mojave. It's possible some will choose to remain on a supported OS like Mojave well past the 'expiration' date.

So the transition to ARM does not render existing systems inoperable. These system can continue to run indefinitely (theoretically of course).

I've worked out of many studios and a lot of them are still running unaltered Mac Pro 1,1's for tracking purposes. For mixing they'll have the 12 core 5,1 and still be able to get by. Not to mention with Opencore they can get to Catalina if they're having compatibility issues with software. Usually that problem is inverted.

All that being said, the computer you build in 2020 (2018 for me) can easily last you the next 10 years and be compatible with updates. The computer you build in 2029 can last you another 10. Maybe this applies mostly to pro audio.
 
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What is the easiest way to map my USB ports for the Z390 Designare motherboard?
 
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M2 drives, PCI lanes and SATA ports.

Hi there. So, I am planning a dual boot Hack along the lines of this build and had a question about M2 drives. I've been delving through the gigabyte forums but everyone seems to have a different opinion. If I run Win in the top M2 and OSX in the bottom (both PCI SSD's) I lose SATA ports 0, 4 and 5. This I can handle. With PCIx4 set to PCH the GPU still has the full 16 lanes but I'm trying to figure out what I have left for PCI cards. Is it just 4 lanes shared across the x8, x4, two x1's and the M2's. As the M2's are each different OS they'll only be running one at a time so not so much of a bandwidth issue but I wonder if there are still knock ons to do with addressing.

Basically I need to be confident that I can get away with 2x PCI M2's, Fenvi wifi, MOTU PCIe424 (connected to 2 x 24IO boards), Genenric Firewire 400/800 card connected to Fireface 400. They're all x1 cards and the MOTU won't be running at the same time as the fireface. If the TB3 > 2 > 1 conversion works I can scrap the generic firewire card. Don't want to bank on that though. In terms of what will be operational at any given time I think 3 lanes to the active M2 would allow full speed operation but that leaves 1 lane shared across audio, FW and wifi/bluetooth. Having written all this down it doesn't seem like a lot, I've crammed a lot more into a board before but NVME is new to me and I don't want to shoot myself in the foot before I begin.

Many thanks,

Jim

Also wondering if having 2 M.2 drives results in a decrease of bandwidth for each drive regardless of whether the other is in use. If so, I think I'd need to find a way of disabling in BIOS
 
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** The end of Hackintosh as we know it **

Today's momentous announcement of the transition to Apple Silicon means that Macintosh will eventually become a completely closed and proprietary system.

But this won't happen right away. There is plenty of time.

Probably, you're correct.

So, for me, it just means that there's no real incentive to buying Intel based Macs anymore and paying such a high premium to do so. Sure, I would consider buying an Intel based Mac at a very significant discount, but not at the current pricing.

I know of some Mac Pro users who've kept their original Mac Pros (pre-2011) for ten or twelve years, but can you really do that when they've been EOL'd now? For instance, the migration from PowerPC to Intel showed that the sale of PowerPC machines dropped radically after that transition was announced.

I was considering buying a Mac Pro, but no, not now, not at the current pricing. They've essentially been discontinued (the long slow way, of course). No reason I can see to pay a premium for that kind of system.

There are a lot of compromises in buying a Mac (particularly in graphics cards), and I'm glad I've kept my Windows up to date. I'll keep my hacks running (until they don't) and will switch to Windows when I have to, but I won't be buying anymore "real" Intel based Macs any time soon at the prices Apple currently charges. I'm seriously considering selling my Macbook Pro 16,1.

Soon, can't tell you exactly when, many buyers, particularly corporate and agency buyers, soon they will realize that buying a Intel based Mac will be a bad investment and they won't pull the trigger on a purchase.

I've working in Silicon Valley for many years, and I've actually spec'ed out equipment, and never, ever would any CEO or CIO approve purchase orders for equipment that's been discontinued - not even with such a really long transition time.

EDIT: I left out the conclusion of my original post. The upshot of what I'm saying is that if the sale of Intel based Macs drop significantly, Apple will have no choice other than to speed up the transition, which means things could happen much faster than what your chart proposes might happen.
 
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Agreed, and I will do that, but that still leaves me with the problem of a device or devices that may cause the problem, and I need said device to work. I don't really want to dump my RME interface (for example), or do without an iLok if the problem is likely to be solved by buying a TB dock...
Very true, I'm in the same boat. I've got a feeling though that this is software related. There's reports of real Mac users booting into Windows on their MacBooks, and the usb freezing no longer occurs. To be honest I very much hope it is, as we seem to be running in circles trying to figure it out. Hope you can find stability, must be driving you mad. For what it's worth my interface (Prism, which are less stable than RME) is in the top left port, and my iLok is in the top right.
 
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** The end of Hackintosh as we know it **

Today's momentous announcement of the transition to Apple Silicon means that Macintosh will eventually become a completely closed and proprietary system.

But this won't happen right away. There is plenty of time. The chart below is one way of forecasting the future. It is not an official chart (obviously), but it does show three inevitable phases for Hackintosh, in green, orange, and red.


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Hey CaseySJ great post- can you repost in the intel/arm thread?

 

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Probably, you're correct.

So, for me, it just means that there's no real incentive to buying Intel based Macs anymore and paying such a high premium to do so. Sure, I would consider buying an Intel based Mac at a very significant discount, but not at the current pricing.
This is much more of an incentive to build a Hackintosh now. Because we can always repurpose the hardware for Windows and Linux. A Hackintosh probably makes more sense now than it ever has!
  • Hackintosh means:
    • We pay what we want because we buy the components we can afford.
    • We can upgrade components, especially GPUs. We can add Firewire and SATA PCIe cards. We can add capture cards. We can buy the best NVMe SSDs at the best prices (have you seen Apple's NVMe SSD upgrade pricing for the new Mac Pro?).
    • We may be able to run all new versions of macOS perhaps until 2028 or 2029.
    • We can always repurpose the hardware eventually.
I know of some Mac Pro users who've kept their original Mac Pros (pre-2011) for ten or twelve years, but can you really do that when they've been EOL'd now? For instance, the migration from PowerPC to Intel showed that the sale of PowerPC machines dropped radically after that transition was announced.
The counter point is that 32-bit apps are only supported up to Mojave. Mojave users will likely stay on that platform. Many professionals may choose to buy the last of the Intel hardware and lock that down for a few years until the new and untested Apple Silicon goes from being an "unknown quantity" to being a "known quantity".
I was considering buying a Mac Pro, but no, not now, not at the current pricing. They've essentially been discontinued (the long slow way, of course). No reason I can see to pay a premium for that kind of system.
Agreed. Hackintosh is the best choice now.
There are a lot of compromises in buying a Mac (particularly in graphics cards), and I'm glad I've kept my Windows up to date. I'll keep my hacks running (until they don't) and will switch to Windows when I have to, but I won't be buying anymore "real" Intel based Macs any time soon at the prices Apple currently charges. I'm seriously considering selling my Macbook Pro 16,1.
Your MacBook Pro 16,1 will be good for years to come. You will be able to run macOS 11.0, 11.1, 11.2, 11.3, 11.4, 11.5. New versions of macOS will run natively on Intel until around the end of the decade.

I continue to be completely satisfied with my new 2020 13" MacBook Pro. Would Apple abandon customers like me after only three or five years? I expect to run 11.0, 11.1, 11.2, 11.3, 11.4, 11.5, and 11.6. After that I may need to buy Apple Silicon.
 
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