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If it were not obvious, this thread would not have 48 pages and dating back to last year. But whatever. Do you what you think is appropriate.
 
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So, willfully obtuse it is.

If you recall, this all started with a reply to you saying

'IMO, it makes no sense for any company, rich or poor, to support products they don't sell.'

And now you post the list of compliant video solutions that apple supports. Meaning, apple supports the compatibility with products they dont sell. Which is what I had disagreed with you about.
Now, I agree to expect compatibility with RDNA2 is speculative, but companies ALWAYS end up supporting things that they don't make because it helps them sell more of what they make. They don't always support everything, of course, but Apple supports compatibility with a lot of third party things.
 
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@drmyk Just ignore his hostile attitudes, isn't worth your time. Just learned this lesson.
 

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So, willfully obtuse it is.

If you recall, this all started with a reply to you saying

'IMO, it makes no sense for any company, rich or poor, to support products they don't sell.'

And now you post the list of compliant video solutions that apple supports. Meaning, apple supports the compatibility with products they dont sell. Which is what I had disagreed with you about.
Now, I agree to expect compatibility with RDNA2 is speculative, but companies ALWAYS end up supporting things that they don't make because it helps them sell more of what they make. They don't always support everything, of course, but Apple supports compatibility with a lot of third party things.

Absolutely willfully obtuse. I have little patience for stupidity.

Yes, it makes no sense for any company to support products they don't sell.

It was a convenient coincidence that the drivers included in macOS worked with the listed video cards. They didn't go out of their way to create new drivers. It was a gift.

Try bringing your undercooked Big Mac to a Burger King, they will laugh you all the way out of the restaurant.
 
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Therefore, if I've been hostile towards you, it must say something...
You never were until now. Maybe stop implicitly calling random people you don't know stupid would be a good start for a moderator. But I have a feeling that you can't resist, that's why this discussion ends here. I appreciate your opinions, but your attitude in this thread is not my cup of tea. To each their own, I guess.
 
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Either way, this is putting me in a serious dilemma. I have software that is no longer compatible with 10.13 that I use for work. I can't update OSX because I have an Nvidia 1080ti. I am hesitant to spend a large amount of money on an older generation AMD card without knowing what is happening with this series.
Same boat as you. I am a pure Mac user so no need for Windows. I built a hack in 2018, the first one and probably only one. Reason, for around £3k I could risk building a setup that would outperform what Apple could sell me at that time.

Previously I'd buy a new iMac every 3 years. But my work got more demanding regarding graphics power. The HS 1080 build I use is rock solid but during the last few months all my software updates are becoming incompatible, Davinci, Blender, most Adobe apps. I pay for Adobe's CC, which is annoying but at the end of the day it was my choice to risk building a hack for work purposes. It's feels a little dirty, but the horsepower and hardware options are great.

Given the current incompatibility of these new AMD cards (my hunch is they *may* be supported much further down the line, more on that below) and the fact graphics cards are so ludicrously expensive + hard to come by and probably will be for the rest of the year if not beyond, my options are to wait for a suitable M* iMac that will have enough graphics grunt for my needs. Or hold out for a M* MacPro. Considering the work I do, switching to Windows would be the best thing to do, but f that.

A few months ago I was certain these cards would gain driver support pretty quickly. I've now changed my views, not least for the obvious reason that we still don't see support. If you consider the top whack x4 GPU graphics config for the Intel MacPro it's extremely powerful, albeit stupidly expensive. How many higher-end MacPro customers are desperate to upgrade beyond the current upgrade options or indeed if they already have the top spec? Likely most of these customers are perfectly content for now. It still leaves a hole in the market, for pro creatives like myself. I think this will be addressed when Apple unleash more powerful graphics systems. I strongly feel they are working on something that will be sufficient, but realistically this will be a 2022 thing. Happy to be wrong.

I impulse bought a 6900XT in Jan but sent it back within 10 days as I don't use Windows and reconsidered the insanity a £1200 paperweight. Supply seems to have got worst since, no doubt the recent crypto boom is partly to blame.

All said, agree with some others comments on here to just be hyper aware if you're considering buying a new AMD card specifically for MacOS you're probably in for a long wait.
 

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Compatibility of 3rd-party devices with Apple hardware has usually been driven by the fact Apple themselves use the device, and I am not aware they have ever supplied driver support for devices they don't. Except perhaps, for Final Cut and Logic Pro that are not a part of the OS and are specifically designed to do a given job. However we have to modify this view a little ...

Apple does adhere to standards. For example that cheapo webcam works with the Mac Mini not because Apple explicitly likes the brand or uses it but because the webcam is UVC compliant, which is a broad standard. That audio mixer works when connected because it is a UAD, another industry standard, not because Apple supports that particular model. Adhering to standards is a good thing, making Apple more of a team-player than a lot of people give them credit for.

With graphics card support the reality is more complex but basically the same. For example Apple never offered an RX560 AMD GPU but they did a Radeon Pro 560X. The specs of the two are close enough that you can use an RX560 with only the need to rename it, perhaps using Whatevergreen.kext. Other GPUs, whether AMD or NVidia inherently use the same driver model whatever the OS and so are coincidentally compatible when we build a Hack with one. Not because Apple supports it directly. We have lists here and here on the Site of the GPUs supported directly and indirectly, and their chipset brethren.

Of course it would be nice if Apple decided to support newer GPUs and if they continue with the Intel Mac Pro line they may upgrade the GPUs they themselves offer and include the RX6*** series. But if they decide to throw all their development muscle into creating their own new GPUs then we are left at the 5700/Vega 2 point in history.

None of this is "bad" it's just how it is. If you go way back in Apple's history you will find all kinds of weird and wonderful standards, sockets and plugs, totally incompatible with mainstream PC parts. Probably to make the distinction clear between the two approaches to desktop computing, and of course to restrict what is being connected so Apple can control reliability.
 
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