October 18th 2021 Apple Event: M1 Pro/Max MacBook Pros

[bombardier10]

Yes many words but not one say that M1 Pro/Max it is NOT new generation apple CPU.
This is the same M1 chip released a year ago but scalable so includes more cores.
For example Intel deliver i3, i5 or i7 CPU 10 th or 11 th Gen.
M1 , M1Pro , M1 MAX this is like i3 , i5 , i7 - this same gen CPUs.
So more cores but this same technology. We can adds more cores to one chip ok
(limited to TDP) .
Now new apple laptops with M1 Max use 140 W power supply which means that
cant increase number of cores any more. Next step must be next gen technology.

Intel released new technology year after year and maybe several dozen of new CPUs...

Another important issue is the price/performance ratio of processor.
We can compare processors with similar prices. But we dont known what
is the price of s M1 chip ( We can expected it to be higher than Intel's.

The First benchmarks 12 gen Intel i5-12600K - it is faster than i9-11900K.
And this is just a mid-range processor for consumers...
So if Apple wants to keep up Intel (or Nvidia) that must deliver new
technology year after year . Not only new CPU but new Gen CPU.

Attached geekbench benchmark from my "M1 MAX machine " )

 

[pastrychef]

Intel released new technology year after year and maybe several dozen of new CPUs...

Are you inebriated?


My hack has an 850W power supply. That doesn't mean my hack uses 850W. The MacBooks may have a 140W power supply. That doesn't mean they pull 140W.

 

[tedyun]

Yes many words but not one say that M1 Pro/Max it is NOT new generation apple CPU.
This is the same M1 chip released a year ago but scalable so includes more cores.
For example Intel deliver i3, i5 or i7 CPU 10 th or 11 th Gen.
M1 , M1Pro , M1 MAX this is like i3 , i5 , i7 - this same gen CPUs.
So more cores but this same technology. We can adds more cores to one chip ok
(limited to TDP) .
Now new apple laptops with M1 Max use 140 W power supply which means that
cant increase number of cores any more. Next step must be next gen technology.

Intel released new technology year after year and maybe several dozen of new CPUs...

Another important issue is the price/performance ratio of processor.
We can compare processors with similar prices. But we dont known what
is the price of s M1 chip ( We can expected it to be higher than Intel's.

The First benchmarks 12 gen Intel i5-12600K - it is faster than i9-11900K.
And this is just a mid-range processor for consumers...
So if Apple wants to keep up Intel (or Nvidia) that must deliver new
technology year after year . Not only new CPU but new Gen CPU.

Attached geekbench benchmark from my "M1 MAX machine " )

That may be true, but eventually it doesn't matter what Intel does or if Apple will keep pace with the technological advances of other chip makers once they fully transition macOS to AppleSi. It's similar to how the advances in the A## chips that power the iOS devices are essentially on their own path regardless of what the other smartphone chips are doing.

There could be an argument made for these cross-platform programs like Adobe Creative Cloud. If they eventually perform much better on Intel powered platforms than AppleSi, then I guess it could have an impact. But that's a lot of "if's" I'm pretty sure Apple will ensure that won't happen.

 

[Bustycat]

Attached geekbench benchmark from my "M1 MAX machine " )

Fake news

 

[CaseySJ]

Yes many words but not one say that M1 Pro/Max it is NOT new generation apple CPU.
This is the same M1 chip released a year ago but scalable so includes more cores.
For example Intel deliver i3, i5 or i7 CPU 10 th or 11 th Gen.
M1 , M1Pro , M1 MAX this is like i3 , i5 , i7 - this same gen CPUs.
So more cores but this same technology. We can adds more cores to one chip ok
(limited to TDP) .
Now new apple laptops with M1 Max use 140 W power supply which means that
cant increase number of cores any more. Next step must be next gen technology.

Correct -- the CPU and GPU cores in M1 Pro/Max are essentially the same as original M1, but that's perfectly okay. We expected that because the names of the chip are M1 Max and M1 Pro, so they must be similar to standard M1. But they are significantly enhanced in many truly exciting ways.

We haven't seen this kind of excitement over any Intel processors in recent memory, but I fully agree that excitement for Intel's Alder Lake and Z690 is building!

We are not bashing Intel. When we criticize Intel for their lackluster performance over the past 5-6 years, we are being realistic. If they do well we will compliment them; if they do poorly we will criticize them.

We have criticized Apple a lot over the past few years.

I purchased a MacBook Air in 2012 and never purchased another Apple laptop until the Intel-based 2020 13" MacBook Pro last year because they fixed the keyboard, reduced their SSD and RAM prices, provided 4 Thunderbolt 3 ports, etc. But its battery life has been underwhelming, it tends to run a bit warm, and its Intel Iris iGPU has been disappointing.

So after a little over one year, I am trading it in for a 14" M1 Max. In hindsight, buying the 2020 13" MBP was a mistake.

Intel released new technology year after year and maybe several dozen of new CPUs...

Intel has released small incremental upgrades over the past few years because their fabs were unable to develop and debug 10nm process technology (which is now being called Intel 7). So every year for the past 5 years or so we've had 14nm+, 14nm++, 14nm+++, 14nm++++, 14nm+++++, etc.

Another important issue is the price/performance ratio of processor.
We can compare processors with similar prices. But we dont known what
is the price of s M1 chip ( We can expected it to be higher than Intel's.

M1 Pro and M1 Max are not CPUs, so it's not an apples-to-apples comparison with Intel CPUs. M1 Pro/Max are SoCs (System on Chip) that contain:

• 8 or 10 CPU cores
• 14, 16, 24, or 32 GPU cores
• 16GB, 32GB, or 64GB LPDDR5 6400MT/s memory
• 16 core Neural Engine
• 1 HEVC/H.264 video decoder
• 1 or 2 HEVC/H.264 video encoders
• 1 or 2 ProRes video encoders and decoders

Consider the fully loaded M1 Max with:

• 8P cores, 2E cores
• 32 GPU cores
• 64GB LPDDR5 memory
• 16 core Neural Engine
• 1 HEVC/H.264 decoder
• 2 HEVC/H.264 encoders
• 2 ProRes encoders/decoders

Is there an Intel equivalent?

The First benchmarks 12 gen Intel i5-12600K - it is faster than i9-11900K.
And this is just a mid-range processor for consumers...
So if Apple wants to keep up Intel (or Nvidia) that must deliver new
technology year after year . Not only new CPU but new Gen CPU.
...

Apple has been delivering new processors every year on iPhone and iPad with:

• A4
• A5, A5X
• A6, A6X
• A7
• A8
• A9, A9X
• A10, A10X (Fusion)
• A11 (Bionic)
• A12, A12X, A12Z (Bionic)
• A13 (Bionic)
• A14 (Bionic)
• A15 (Bionic)

M1 is based on A14.
M2 is expected to be based on A15.

 

[JacCarson]

I am thinking of upgrading my 2019 macbook pro 13 inch touch bar to 14 inch. First photos appeared of real life comparison (Miani on YT), seems a nice increase in screen real estate (13.3 to 14.2), then you have the HDR abilities, 6 speaker sound system, M1 Max chip and 24/32 graphic cores (30% faster than my RX580), new processor, 16 GB as a base RAM (against 8GB in my MBP), 512GB of storage (256gb in macbook pro). I am trying to justify purchase, lol. Battery life is also consideration

 

[andrelabbe]

hi
here an article which I believe reflect nicely the on going saga.
The new MacBook Pro highlights what's gone wrong with Windows laptops

how many people/companies will/would upgrade let say their cheap/mainstream laptop to get the latest intel chipset/cpu. Not a lot I guess.
I work in 'IT' (to keep it generic) and when companies order laptops, it more more what is the cheapest they can get away with unless they cannot do otherwise.

Every one I know using the M1 are happy with it other than Adobe being Adobe does not behave properly.
After all, one year later most have still only have intel offering and not M1 native.

before you had Android is better than IOS or vice versa p..g contest
you now have or can add
Mxxx is better than your i64 (Intel/AMD) or vice versa p..g contest

I do enjoy reading forums when both parties try to argue than mine is better than yours.
Bottom line, you buy what you want (can afford) and happy to use.

for me MacOS all the way but sadly work has to be M$

 

[dehjomz]

Intel might be coming back. Mobile i9 12900HK.

Not sure if this is going to be final performance, not clear how much power will be consumed or how well the chip will perform in other multithreaded tasks.

But impressive nonetheless.

 

[pastrychef]

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Intel might be coming back. Mobile i9 12900HK.

Not sure if this is going to be final performance, not clear how much power will be consumed or how well the chip will perform in other multithreaded tasks.

But impressive nonetheless.

As a point of reference, the 11th gen (Tiger Lake) mobile "HK" CPU could be configured for 65W, 45W, or 35W TDP.

Also, don't forget, you'd need a dGPU to match the M1 Pro/Max GPU performance.

 

[bombardier10]

Mobile CPU/GPU are less powerful than desktop CPU/GPU.
Like Mark Twain say "The rumours of my death have been greatly exaggerated".
Look at this benchmark. The last word always belongs to Intel )