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Look at the MacPro1,1 and Xserve1,1. Released 2006. Last officially supported OS, 10.7 OS X Lion, was released 2011. So, approx 5 years.
As I said previously, there's no reason they have to follow the same timeline they did back then. They also had refreshed Intel MP 4,1 Macs to sell in 2011 so it would make sense to cut off support for 1,1 after Lion. Don't forget that many 7,1 Intel MP users actually work at Apple and use them every day to get work done. If there is never another Intel MP released why not support these a little longer than they have in the past ? Rosetta 2 is great but some software written for x86 just won't run well on Apple Silicon.

We may lose support for Intel Macs by 2024 but even then I can live with that. The inevitable will happen in the next 3-5 years we just don't know exactly when. Whenever it is Intel support stops, it's been a great run that made hackintoshing such a huge success that it's been going strong for the past 12 years now.
 
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As I said previously, there's no reason they have to follow the same timeline they did back then. They also had refreshed Intel MP 4,1 Macs to sell in 2011 so it would make sense to cut off support for 1,1 after Lion. We may lose support for Intel Macs by 2024 but even then I can live with that. The inevitable will happen in the next 3-5 years we just don't know exactly when.

Don't forget that many 7,1 Intel MP users actually work at Apple and use them every day to get work done. If there is never another Intel MP released why not support these a little longer than they have in the past ? Rosetta 2 is great but some software written for x86 just won't run well on Apple Silicon.

I think 3-5 years is extremely optimistic. I think the end of Intel support will come sooner than that. Even now, Apple isn't even bothering to make new features compatible with Intel versions of macOS. Continuing to support a soon to be discontinued product wastes manpower, time, and money. Those resources are much better spent on current or yet to be released products.
 
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As I said previously, there's no reason they have to follow the same timeline they did back then. They also had refreshed Intel MP 4,1 Macs to sell in 2011 so it would make sense to cut off support for 1,1 after Lion. Don't forget that many 7,1 Intel MP users actually work at Apple and use them every day to get work done. If there is never another Intel MP released why not support these a little longer than they have in the past ? Rosetta 2 is great but some software written for x86 just won't run well on Apple Silicon.

We may lose support for Intel Macs by 2024 but even then I can live with that. The inevitable will happen in the next 3-5 years we just don't know exactly when. Whenever it is Intel support stops, it's been a great run that made hackintoshing such a huge success that it's been going strong for the past 12 years now.
The days of x86 support are limited, no doubt.

But hackintoshing may live on in a different form if an ARM vendor such as Qualcomm enters the market. Qualcomm Nuvia should go on sale late 2023.

Perhaps an arm build of opencore or some other boot loader is coming with macOS support? Or maybe Apple Silicon is so customized relative to ‘traditional’ arm, such that macOS ARM won’t run well on non Apple hardware? In terms of interrupt support, graphics, and so forth.

Even if hackintoshing is over, it was a good run. And apple is making good Mac hardware again including custom accelerators and neural engines not available on current off the shelf x86 hardware. Apple’s return to form with Apple Silicon and it’s good performance while running very cool and quiet sort of obviates the need for a hack in the first place. Except for the price and ability to run other OSes. But with a kvm switch this isn’t such a big deal anymore. Different tools for different jobs.
 

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This is possible because back in 2006 they had to transition much faster than they do today. Back then, Apple was not the Mega Corp. they are today. Here's every thing Apple released in 2006. Basically only two consumer products, Macs and iPods.

This is a very good point. What Apple has done in the past is simply what Apple has done in the past. The factors that led them to that particular decision back then may or may not lead them to the same decision this time around.
 
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The factors that led them to that particular decision back then may or may not lead them to the same decision this time around.
Remember how relatively tiny the 3.5" iPhones were up to 2012 ? Steve Jobs would always say "nobody wants a big phone." Today they have screens 6.8" on the diagonal. Almost tablet size. “Who wants a stylus? You have to get ’em, put ’em away, you lose ’em. Yuck! Nobody wants a stylus. So let’s not use a stylus. It means we failed." Now we have a few versions of the Apple pencil that people love to use with the iPad.
 
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Look at the MacPro1,1 and Xserve1,1. Released 2006. Last officially supported OS, 10.7 OS X Lion, was released 2011. So, approx 5 years.

MacPro7,1 was released in 2019. 2019 + 5 years = 2024.
You guys have to clarify what the years are for. The major macOS upgrades, or just the support by Apple?

My prediction isn’t really changed after WWDC. macOS 15 in 2024 or macOS 16 in 2025 should be the last, and the security updates would be provided until 2027 or 2028.
 

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Remember how relatively tiny the 3.5" iPhones were up to 2012 ? Steve Jobs would always say "nobody wants a big phone." Today they have screens 6.8" on the diagonal. Almost tablet size. “Who wants a stylus? You have to get ’em, put ’em away, you lose ’em. Yuck! Nobody wants a stylus. So let’s not use a stylus. It means we failed." Now we have a few versions of the Apple pencil that people love to use with the iPad.

What Steve said about failing if we had to use a stylus with the iPhone is still true today. I would not want to have to use a Pencil with my iPhone. In fact, the Pencil is not even compatible with iPhones.
 

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You guys have to clarify what the years are for. The major macOS upgrades, or just the support by Apple?

My prediction isn’t really changed after WWDC. macOS 15 in 2024 or macOS 16 in 2025 should be the last, and the security updates would be provided until 2027 or 2028.

MacPro1,1 shipped with Tiger OS X 10.4.xx.

Last official version of OS X compatible with MacPro1,1 was Lion 10.7.xx.

Security updates for Lion were compatible with MacPro1,1.
 
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