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January 2023 Mac Announcement: M2 MacBook Pros & Mac Mini

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This video really goes into great detail, comparing the M1 and M2/Pro chips with each other.
He focuses mainly on photo and video editing.


This one focuses on just the M2 and M2 Pro minis.

 
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I was hoping for a point where the presentation offers any insight on M2 beyond the obvious, but I didn't last long enough to confirm that insight was never going to come.

tl;dwatc

My super secret insights in ()s

- M2 is faster than M1.

(Apple bumped M2 freq over M1, resulting in a linear gain on benchmarks, with corresponding thermal consequence, which are well controlled.)

- M1 Ultra still top of game.

(Twice as many cores go twice as fast for image processing. Just like the way it's marketed.)

- M2 SSD speed doesn't matter.

(Because the even the slower SSD is 20x faster than the spinners which apps like Lightroom were being delivered on on few years ago.)

- Ya'know arbout RAM... First buy a Mac, do your work, then open Activity Monitor... And time is money especially for "pros."

(No one knows what it's like to RAM limited anymore)

Other thoughts on presentation:

What's that tablety thing he's swiping as makes his presentation? Is it possible the entire program could have been produced with an iPad? Yes it is.

Where's the art? This is supposed to be a new medium of self-expression: So express! Instead we find videographer schooled in 2000 years of western dialectical tradition and standing on the shoulders of cultural giants (Picasso, Einstein, Dylan... Beuller? ...Anyone? Think Different!) who regards his own artistic sensibility as less than an afterthought and actively is trying to harvest the eye-time of his audience for personal gain. This presentation consumes 30 minutes of viewer attention in monotonous recitation of static dry textual information that could be read in 2 minutes to better effect from a blog.

"Don't forget to Like and Subscribe"

Now Apple is getting its advertorial work done for free by the people who buy their products! Genius!
 
Here's iFixit on M2 from their perspective.


It leads off with quips about the self-service programme being surprisingly cool. The programme is a mystery to me because rather than doing what I think most people hope for, which is to make the assembly very modular and interchangeable in a way a tyro can understand, instead Apple supplies kits that expects to bring ordinary users into the realm of the repair specialist with 100lbs kits of tools and 200 page service manuals, and expectations of sourcing esoteric supplies such as adhesives and DRM'd screens.

tl;dr

- Heatsink changed size in wrong direction.
- It's the chips that are changing.
- Supply chain issues result in availability that affects SSD performance

The author begs the question "if 128G NAND is in short supply why is Apple bothering with 512 configs" where the obvious answer is that the contents of todays M2 may have been sourced 18 mos ago.

Not many insights but an approachable presentation on the guts.
 
Incidentally, one 256G NAND is likely cheaper than 2*128G and there no saving is too small for cost cutters on a mission to lower the price tag of the base model.
That $499 Mac mini comes from somewhere…
 
That $499 Mac mini comes from somewhere…
Yes. Very much so. But what's the actual sacrifice?

There's a point of paradox about so much technical magic being delivered at such insanely low prices by historical standards, such that picking apart the supply chain is just an academic exercise in reality; it's not even bean-counting.

I see a mind-bending panoply of giddy youtubers shouting don't-make-a-huge-mistake advice on M2 configs with no disciplined regard for what matters. The argument is you're getting gypped if you buy at the low end, because the higher end offers a subsystem with a bigger metric, with no thought as to why that metric matters.

Which is akin to the debacle of the 2019 Mac Pro: it's target market is maybe 1–5% of mac sales, for customers with very different expectations than the other 9X%. If you do structural engineering you actually need ECC no matter if it's expensive because you can't risk design failure due to bit errors. You'll never hear a gamer say a word about a missing bit. Gamers brag about making their kit crash!

But in every scenario, single metric thinking gets weird. Like imagine if you viewed SSD speed as the rate at which you could wear the drive out: "the Pro mini wears out its non-replaceable hard drive twice as fast as the entry model OMG" or imagine increasing the rate which you could load data to exhaust RAM, I've overloaded this baby quicker than ever!

Then there's weirdness of scale, for example, a Mac Pro with 1.5T of RAM and a PCIe3 x4 SSD will take 10 minutes just to load all that RAM! Ok so make it a PCIe5 SSD it only takes 3 minutes. Feel better?

Imagine a review that cries over the dearth of cubic feet of a iPhone. It must be a terrible deal, you can't even fit a book of matches inside it!

While reviews are rarely this patently absurd, they are typically so incognizant of meaningful tradeoffs as to be mostly noise.

By historic standards, say 10 years ago, the base mini is 3x more CPU, and 2x RAM for less $—not even inflation adjusted—less power consumption, and better reliability.

Plus it includes 10x GPU, 20x HD perf, 4x expansion bandwidth, 5x display res, 10x video codec and a 1TFLOPS machine learning unit which didn't exist at all 10 years ago. And the HW is more stable and quiet.

(Too bad about the SW... but I'll skip that rant)

If you consider your entire workflow, you learn to push around the constraints to work within the limits of your tools. That's craft.

Making it beautiful too: that's art.

All these youtube M2 stats reports are cookie-cutter attention-seeking diatribes that show neither art nor craft.

If anyone is limited by their Mac these days, no amount of further tech improvement is going to help. The solutions have been delivered.

I think griping about latest Mac configs can take a backseat to astonishment at the overall gains for the decade. Apple is a force beyond wild dreams of John Scully.

Which makes it just about time for something big to change...
 
I have been using my 16 MacBook Pro for just about a week now, I do think I should have waited for a 64gb version to arrive instead of letting my Impulse get the best of me and bought the 32gb one at the store. Instant Gratification FTW? Or Maybe for the loss.

That said the two resource eating softwares I use are Revit and Twin Motion.

Revit only runs on windows so I had been using it from a Remote Desktop for the past few years getting ready for the switch to Apple Silicon. Twin Motion is rendering software made by Epic Games based on the unreal engine, not sure there will ever be an Apple Silicon update.

First up I tested Twin Motion it totally killed the GPU and it was totally expected, but the memory use sat around 23gb totally unexpected since with the same file on my Hack I was pushing closer to 58gb.

Second test install Parallels and windows 11 to run Revit. Parallels with windows on ARM and Revit run fairly decent the GPU does not take much of a hit but it pushes the memory near its limits around 28gb.

While I fully intend on continuing to access Revit via Remote Desktop it is nice to know that if needed I will have the ability to run Revit locally on the current Mx chips and ones to come in the future.

I did test one more thing that was World of Warcraft It two also kills the GPU but at max settings and 5k resolution I would expect nothing less. It also spins the Fan up to super speed but since this laptop is specifically for work I do not see myself spending a lot of time playing games on it.

Overall my experience has been positive.
 
been thinking if I should get the m2 pro to push two LG ultral via TB + a 72" LG 4k@60hz via HDMI
or
really need the two LG ultral at the time but the 72"lg 4k is just for a display for Notion...(web based) to track the flow of the business..

any feedback is appreciated ( except my spelling of English)
 
Incidentally, one 256G NAND is likely cheaper than 2*128G and there no saving is too small for cost cutters on a mission to lower the price tag of the base model.
That $499 Mac mini comes from somewhere…
On the Logic forum we tested two Mac's Mini (8GB RAM SSD 256GB and 16GB RAM SSD 1TB) in Logic benchmark and the performance is not much better than MINI on 2018 Intel processor and worse than MINI with M1.

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On the Logic forum we tested two Mac's Mini (8GB RAM SSD 256GB and 16GB RAM SSD 1TB) in Logic benchmark and the performance is not much better than MINI on 2018 Intel processor and worse than MINI with M1.

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Does Logic Pro need a software update or is there a deeper problem?
 
@ori69 @CaseySJ is that just a test for how many tracks you can make and run without crashing? Have yall tested workload, such as commonly known heavy plugins?
 
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