Contribute
Register

[Guide] Intel NUC7/NUC8 using Clover UEFI (NUC7i7Bxx,NUC8i7Bxx,etc)

Joined
Aug 31, 2011
Messages
40
Motherboard
HP Elite X2 1012 G2
CPU
i5-7300U
Graphics
UHD 620, 2736x1824
let me know your benchmark using Thunderbolt 3 USB-C on your SSD and what brand SSD your testing.

Unfortunately i don't have an actual thunderbolt drive, just a thunderbolt dock.
 
Joined
Sep 7, 2019
Messages
192
Motherboard
INTEL NUC8i7BEH - Bios 74
CPU
i7-8559U
Graphics
Iris Plus 655
Mac
  1. Mac mini
Intel Bluetooth is working if you have a dual boot system. Rebooting from Windows makes it work even after subsequent shutdown(s). The procedure with booting Windows only has to be repeated after unplugging power.

Can you clarify more on "Bluetooth working in Catalina" IF Dual Booting.

Are you saying Bluetooth is stable in MAC OS Catalina? I don't understand what the relationship that Bluetooth working has with NEEDING Windows as Dual Booting. So it seems you are saying if you unplug the power source that you first have to boot into Windows 10 and then restart and boot MAC OS for it to work in Catalina. That is weird.

Why does it need to be booted into windows first for it to then work with Mac OS what is the thinking behind that. I would have thought if the kext worked and was stable then it would work period?

Thanks for your post. I don't need bluetooth really but would be good to know as I sometimes use bluetooth headphones.
 
Joined
Sep 7, 2019
Messages
192
Motherboard
INTEL NUC8i7BEH - Bios 74
CPU
i7-8559U
Graphics
Iris Plus 655
Mac
  1. Mac mini
Just weighing in on kext placement. When I built my first Hackintosh nine years ago it was a given kexts were to be installed in S\L\E or later just L\E. Clover and UEFI booting were unknown so at that time it was really the only choice available. Today, and even in the last year and a half, things have changed significantly. The developer of Lilu and Whatevergreen states it’s essential Lilu, and all other dependent kexts, be placed in EFI\C\Other for proper functionality.
Below is a quote from @ModMike from his “the everything Works ASUS Z390 gaming i“ page here. Overall I agree with most of what he states and certainly easier to maintain and update. Please see below


Methodology
Before we start, it might be a good idea to discuss my heretical approach. I only install kexts in /EFI/Clover/Kexts/Other and I am a huge fan of Port Limit Removal Patches. Heresy you say? Consider this:
Spoiler: The Great Kext Schism
Lilu & WhatEverGreen (WEG) have drastically changed Hackintoshing by eliminating many kexts, some of which may not have been injectable.

The arguments put forth apply ONLY to this guide. If your system needs custom un-injectable kexts the following does not apply.
  1. The one and only reason cited for not installing kexts in /Others is because it “could” violate something claimed to be “Protected Memory Space”. This is not even a thing

    i. I searched "Protected Memory Space" on Apples developer site and it does not exist anywhere as a term or concept
    ii. Kexts by their very nature must be loaded into kernel space and are therefore not subject to OSX memory management! Even if "Protected Memory Space" did exist, the main reason cited for doing this is invalid
  2. Apple does recommend that 3rd party kexts be installed in /Library/Extensions but that’s for officially sanctioned, developed, and signed kexts, which ours are not so why break SIP?
  3. Even if the above did apply, OSX cannot manage kexts critical to booting. Lilu & WhatEverGreen (WEG) must be loaded before OSX for it to properly load its plug-ins and boot OSX
  4. WEG developers themselves instruct users to install WEG in EFI/Clover/Kexts/Other
  5. Lilu plug-Ins make up the majority of the plug-ins we need. Guess where they recommend they be installed?
  6. FakeSMC is a critical kext that must be injected (meaning loaded before OSX) and should be in /Others.
  7. That leaves 4 kexts and the SMC sensors that could live in /Library/Extensions. But if they can all be injected, why bother?
  8. Clover Configurator’s Kext installer is a great maintenance tool. It tracks nearly every and installs them in /Other by default, which implies that’s where they should go
  9. Rehabman, the developer of networking kexts, states that his kexts can be injected. In fact, the BrcmFirmwareData.kext is designed to be injected
  10. Installing kexts in /Others makes debugging very easy. If there is an issue with a kext installed in /L/E, then you can’t boot the system which makes repairs and testing very difficult. If everything is in /Other, you simply boot with a USB FAT32 drive that has your EFI on it
  11. Keeping OSX free of Hackintosh kexts lets you enable SIP mode and run as securely as an OEM Mac
  12. Putting everything in one shareable EFI folder vastly simplifies installation
  13. Putting everything in the /Other folder eliminates the need for kext installation and permission repair tools
  14. Pastrychef, who has helped hundreds of people, stated that moving kexts to /library/extensions has never helped solve one single issue he has come across. See what people think and do in his poll
Summary:
  1. The term or concept of "Protected Memory Space" does not exist in Apple's developer documentation
  2. WEG developers are unanimous in their position that kexts should be installed in /Other
  3. rehab man says it’s fine to inject them.
  4. Putting them in /Other simplifies maintenance and enables SIP.
Conclusion: All injectable kexts belong in Clover's /Other folder.

Thanks again for sharing your wisdom. I'm new to Hackintosh and have no history of the changes. I do understand that Clover is now the standard for UEFI Hackintoshing. All my kexts are in the Other directory and EVERYTHING that is supposed to work works. Good to have reasoning why I will continue to keep my kexts in the "other" directory in the EFI partition.

The big thing is for me as you say ONE EFI partition. I can copy as is to a bootable USB if I need recovery or clean install. I got my info from https://www.tonymacx86.com/threads/...an-sierra-high-sierra-mojave-catalina.268964/ Well the pole says it all. 56 % have their kexts in Other and no issues and it is the highest voted.

I'm happy to go with your wisdom and logic on this one as I wouldn't have a working Hackintosh without your help and EFI folder working as is. Thanks for the history too of how things have changed.
 
Last edited:
Joined
Aug 31, 2011
Messages
40
Motherboard
HP Elite X2 1012 G2
CPU
i5-7300U
Graphics
UHD 620, 2736x1824
Can you clarify more on "Bluetooth working in Catalina" IF Dual Booting.

Are you saying Bluetooth is stable in MAC OS Catalina? I don't understand what the relationship that Bluetooth working has with NEEDING Windows as Dual Booting. So it seems you are saying if you unplug the power source that you first have to boot into Windows 10 and then restart and boot MAC OS for it to work in Catalina. That is weird.

Why does it need to be booted into windows first for it to then work with Mac OS what is the thinking behind that. I would have thought if the kext worked and was stable then it would work period?

Thanks for your post. I don't need bluetooth really but would be good to know as I sometimes use bluetooth headphones.

Yes, stable bluetooth in Catalina with the NUC's proper chip.

There might be a firmware necessary for the bluetooth chip to function properly which is loaded by the windows driver and, if so, it seems to remain till power loss.
 

Leesureone

Moderator
Joined
Feb 21, 2010
Messages
3,466
Motherboard
Asus Z690 Rog Strix G Gaming
CPU
i9-12900K
Graphics
RX 6900 XT
Mac
  1. MacBook Air
  2. MacBook Pro
Mobile Phone
  1. iOS
Unfortunately i don't have an actual thunderbolt drive, just a thunderbolt dock.
I looked at buying a Thunderbolt 3 dock and they are in the $200 to $300 range depending on brand and ports. A little too expensive for me just for experimentation purposes. After thinking about it I do have a couple of suggestions you may have already tried.

If you are using my EFI Folder try removing this SSDT from Clover/ ACPI/patched "SSDT-TYPC-NUC8-BC" and see what happens.

The other suggestions, an this may be a complete waste of time, is turn off Thunderbolt in the bios and see if it will work as a USBC hub (doubtful).

Edit: I plugged in my Thunderbolt 2 hard drive and regardless of what SSDTs are loaded it fails to initialize on wake. Catalina displays the ”disk improperly ejected“ message but I get that with USB drives as well. Apparently this can also be an issue with real Macs as well.
 
Last edited:
Joined
Oct 14, 2019
Messages
5
Motherboard
NUC7i3BNK
CPU
I3-7100U
Graphics
HD620
Mobile Phone
  1. iOS
Simply put the average speeds on my NUCi7BEH are as follows

Thank you everyone for the good assistance in any kind of issues here.
I had a Xiomi in the past and never major issues with the hackintosh. Nevertheless my current purchase a NUC7i3BHE is not installing as expected.

spottsy, you are running also a nuc7? Sometime it reads to me like you have both models. Your guide works perfect to make my usb installer. But I am struggling to find the correct EFI or the correct settings and kext for the EFI. Could you share some details how you managed the install of Catalina?

Since here is more details on the NUC8 and I am running the NUC7, some hints would be great.
Maybe the issue is that I did an update of the bios from version 68 to 80, but I would need to check with a file that I am sure should run.

Thanks
Ben
 

Leesureone

Moderator
Joined
Feb 21, 2010
Messages
3,466
Motherboard
Asus Z690 Rog Strix G Gaming
CPU
i9-12900K
Graphics
RX 6900 XT
Mac
  1. MacBook Air
  2. MacBook Pro
Mobile Phone
  1. iOS
Thank you everyone for the good assistance in any kind of issues here.
I had a Xiomi in the past and never major issues with the hackintosh. Nevertheless my current purchase a NUC7i3BHE is not installing as expected.

spottsy, you are running also a nuc7? Sometime it reads to me like you have both models. Your guide works perfect to make my usb installer. But I am struggling to find the correct EFI or the correct settings and kext for the EFI. Could you share some details how you managed the install of Catalina?

Since here is more details on the NUC8 and I am running the NUC7, some hints would be great.
Maybe the issue is that I did an update of the bios from version 68 to 80, but I would need to check with a file that I am sure should run.

Thanks
Ben
Ask @RLJ63
 
Joined
Dec 20, 2018
Messages
217
Motherboard
Dell Optiplex 9020 USFF
CPU
i7-4770S
Graphics
HD 4600
Mac
  1. iMac
Mobile Phone
  1. iOS
SIDECAR WORKING NICELY WITH IPAD 12.9"

Hi Leesureone, I'm using your EFI folder for Catalina and SIDECAR WORKS with not tinkering. All I did was plug in the ipad to my NUC8 using front USB.

One thing I had to do. As ITUNES is gone I had to go to Finder and click on my device and click TRUST.

Once that was done I could choose my Ipad in the drop down box. Screenshots attached for you.
I have a NUC7i5bnke, with wifi/bt. Current config has definition of
<key>SMBIOS</key>
<dict>
<key>ProductName</key>
<string>iMac16,2</string>
iMac (Retina 4K, 21.5-inch, Late 2015)

Do I need to change this to get Side Car to work? What should I change it to? What works and is appropriate?
(I don't need Side Car, but I would like to try it out.)
 

Leesureone

Moderator
Joined
Feb 21, 2010
Messages
3,466
Motherboard
Asus Z690 Rog Strix G Gaming
CPU
i9-12900K
Graphics
RX 6900 XT
Mac
  1. MacBook Air
  2. MacBook Pro
Mobile Phone
  1. iOS
I have a NUC7i5bnke, with wifi/bt. Current config has definition of
<key>SMBIOS</key>
<dict>
<key>ProductName</key>
<string>iMac16,2</string>
iMac (Retina 4K, 21.5-inch, Late 2015)

Do I need to change this to get Side Car to work? What should I change it to? What works and is appropriate?
(I don't need Side Car, but I would like to try it out.)

The machines listed below are supposedly current enough to work with sidecar (an iMac 16,2 should be fine) and as you are probably aware it takes a later model iPad running iOS 13. I had to connect my iPad by cable first and then it showed in AirPlay.


Sidecar.png
 
Last edited:
Joined
Sep 26, 2019
Messages
122
Motherboard
NUC8i7BEH
CPU
Intel i7 8559U
Graphics
Intel Iris Plus 655
INTEL NUC8i7BEH thoughts on 2 drive options SSD NVMexpress M.2 vs 2.5" SSD drive speeds and where to put your main OPERATING SYSTEM ie Catalina

I see a lot of people use their NUC internal M.2 to install a GENUINE APPLE WiFi and Bluetooth Adapter as there is NO support for INTEL bluetooth and WiFi.

The SPEED LOSS of your operating system is huge if you do this and I thought I would point out the big difference in read and write speeds on M.2 SDD compared to SATA3 SSD 2.5" drive.

This link has a good summary of the speeds that are available for us. https://www.akitio.com/information-center/achieve-best-transfer-speeds-external-drives

Simply put the average speeds on my NUCi7BEH are as follows

Crucial MX500 500gb 2.5" SATA3 SSD averages out 480 mb second read and write speeds sequential reads. (Windows 10 550 mbs read and 510 mbs write.)

Samsung 970 EVO Plus NVMe M.2 500gb SSD averages about 2700 mbs read/write that is about 5.8 times faster. (Windows 10 3600 mbps) Not sure why speeds are better on Windows. Drivers maybe.

SUGGESTION: I would much rather and OS that is 5.8 times faster at 2800 mbps in reading and writing data, opening up applications, rebooting system than the slower 480mbs SATA3 Drives. No way I'm losing that speed for wifi and bluetooth.

SOLUTION: For Wifi/Bluetooth I use TP-Link Archer TU3 if I need WiFi. I mainly use Ethernet LAN connection anyway. You can also get Bluetooth adapters if you so need too. In Australia I just got one for $40 delivered. https://www.tp-link.com/us/support/download/archer-t3u/ WORKS ON CATALINA

ALSO: You can get an external M.2 to USB adapter and use a genuine Apple Wifi/bluetooth option too and keep your internal M.2. drive for your fast SSD drive 2700mbps ie:
Simplecom SE503 NVMe PCIe M.2 SSD to USB 3.1 Gen 2 Type-C External SSD Enclosure. You can get a normal USB 3.0 and not USB-C like this model.

NOTE ON external enclosures. You can get a $20 external USB 3.0 or 3.1 and even USB-C 3.1 gen 2 enclosures cheaply. As the SATA drives MAX out at around 480 mbps it doesn't make a difference for which adapter you choose with present SATA3 drives. You will get a little more speed on USB 3.1 gen 2 which MY NUC has.

THUNDERBOLT 3 USB-C speed would in theory be around 2700 mbps which is the same as the internal M.2 drive speed. If you have used your M.2 for wireless and don't use the port for monitor as I do.

https://www.akitio.com/information-center/achieve-best-transfer-speeds-external-drives

Interface Bottleneck Pros Cons
USB 3.1 Gen 1 ~300-400 MB/s Available on most computers Not fast enough for faster drives
USB 3.1 Gen 2 ~700-800 MB/s Fast enough for 1-2 SSDs Not fast enough for more than 2 drives
Thunderbolt 1 ~700-800 MB/s Fast enough for 1-2 SSDs Not fast enough for more than 2 drives
Thunderbolt 2 ~1375 MB/s Fast enough for 3-4 SSDs Not fast enough for NVMe based SSDs
Thunderbolt 3 ~2750 MB/s Enough bandwidth even when daisy chaining multiple devices. Not fast enough for certain NVMe based SSDs (e.g. Samsung 960 Pro)

CONCLUSIONS AND COMMENTS: If all you do is web browsing and word processing the SATA3 is fairly good. But if you do any Video editing with large files, gaming or transcoding etc then put your MAC OS on the M.2 port. Use the SATA for a second OS or extra storage. If you run out of drive space using an EXTERNAL drive is nearly as good as the internal M.2 and SATA3 ports.

I did all this testing this week and I though others might find this info helpful save them looking around.
I'm actually in the exact same spot!

Previously I had win10 installed on the lightning fast m.2 samsung 970 evo plus but for the hackintosh experiment (which now is not an experiment anymore, but my permanent os) I ordered a sata samsung 960 where I now have macos installed on with a 10$ BT4.0 dongle so I can use my apple magic keyboard/mouse and currently the Broadcom BT/Wifi chipset is being shipped because I wanted to have continuity/handover/airdrop working.

But it still bothers me a lot I cannot use the awesome samsung 970 evo plus (which now sits unused on my desk!!) and being forced to downgrade to sata ssd speeds again..
 
Top