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[Guide] Avoid APFS conversion on High Sierra update or fresh install

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I'm using a clover installer on USB in conjunction with the HS Install app. I'm a bit confused about the EFI partition and whether that it is a bit of necessary code that is always present and created by the Apple installer or purely a Clover created hack that fools Apple software into booting on a non Apple machine.

I've done several installs from El Cap onwards and the EFI partition was always created as part of the process of using UniBeast so I was wondering if the hack to disable APFS was disrupting the install. I've followed your instructions but only the one big volume is being created:

Create bootable USB using UniBeast and boot from it choosing the external file on the USB
Open Disk Utility and wipe SSD with HFS Journaled (creating large partition that fills SSD)
Click install to add files to SSD
Reboot with USB and choose USB installer to boot from again
Run Terminal and do the xml change
Reboot from USB and boot from (modified) installer on SSD
Keep choosing SSD installer after reboots until complete

This results in a working system and the file system being correct but just one partition on the SSD and no EFI or other partitions.

Thanks for your help and any guidance is most appreciated.
EFI partition is always created by Disk Utility when you partition a disk as GPT.
You should not expect Clover to be automatically installed to it, nor for the EFI partition to be automatically mounted.
You can read about how to mount EFI in the laptop FAQ:
http://www.tonymacx86.com/el-capitan-laptop-support/164990-faq-read-first-laptop-frequent-questions.html

Also, the EFI partition is always hidden in Disk Utility, so don't expect to see it there.
 
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Is there any hope of disabling TRIM on APFS drives in the future with a kext or something or is it too low level? Ideally I could have the speed of an NVME, the niceties of APFS, but skip the boot time required for TRIM
 

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Is there any hope of disabling TRIM on APFS drives in the future with a kext or something or is it too low level? Ideally I could have the speed of an NVME, the niceties of APFS, but skip the boot time required for TRIM
It is probably possible to create such a patch. I haven't read about anyone doing it though. And the TRIM issue is not the only NVMe issue anyway.
 
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i tried to do first method and then i got error no such file or directory
then i said let's try the second method i get same error when using cd command
 

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i tried to do first method and then i got error no such file or directory
then i said let's try the second method i get same error when using cd command
You will need to provide images that show exactly what you're doing.
 
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You will need to provide images that show exactly what you're doing.
Check this out
And thank you In advance

Edit:
i guess i fixed that out by running LS and CD command
but what worked for my case is CD /Volumes/os2/"macos high.. .."
then i used the provided command
it worked
 

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I saw RegabMan's recommendation to use carbon copy cloner to just copy a APFS container to an HFS_J+ one, and low and behold it worked perfectly.

Luckily, my boot NVME SSD was less than 50% full, so the steps were simple:
1. Create a new HFS partition on the boot disk
2. Copy over all data to it from APFS partition (using super duper instead of carbon copy cloner)
3. Boot into the new HFS partition
4. Delete APFS partition, create new HFS partition in its place
5. Copy all data to the new HFS partition
6. Boot into the new HFS partition and delete the old one
7. Now that the empty space is in front of the HFS partition, you can grow the volume with ease

Now I have my APFS boot drive fully converted to HFS_J+ and boot went from around 60s to 20s which is awesome!

I suppose I can update to Mojave so long as I follow the steps in this thread to avoid conversion, although I may just stick to high sierra since it works fine for me.
 

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I suppose I can update to Mojave so long as I follow the steps in this thread to avoid conversion, although I may just stick to high sierra since it works fine for me.
This guide applies only to High Sierra.
The Mojave installer will force convert to APFS.
 
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This guide applies only to High Sierra
The Mojave installer will force convert to APFS.
yeah,I have try on fresh install Mojave, still covert to apfs. Mojava's apfs disk still slower than HFS_J on my NVme ssd.
 
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