Asus Z690 ProArt Creator WiFi (Thunderbolt 4) + i7-12700K + AMD RX 6800 XT

[Azimuth1]

@Azimuth1 Thanks. I have viewed this board it looks really better than Gigabyte AERO G, but problem is that I don't see any tutorial with this motherboard so I'm afraid I will not stable build with this GPU. I have dropped ITX option and decided to go for ATX MB. So my current ranking by price/stability would be:

1. GIGABYTE AERO G DDR4 (285€)
2. Asus Z690 ProArt Creator DDR5 (600€)
3/4. Asus ROG STRIX Z690-A DDR4 (340€)
3/4. Asus PRIME Z790-A WIFI DDR5 (420€)

I prefer cheap and stable option, that's why Gigabyte in the first place. If I knew that Asus Z790-A or ROG STRIX Z690-A would work without any issues, I would choose one of those motherboards.

Regarding Asus PRIME Z790-A WIFI DDR5 I guess some tutorial will be in the air very soon. Anyway you can use this tutorial (Z690PRo Art) for an initial install with all the USB ports open and then working on the USB ports while stripping any not needed SSDT. I guess it's not a big deal ...

 

[Azimuth1]

If a 280 would be sufficient, I wonder how the ‘ole reliable Noctua dh15 will do in a good case!

I will try my Noctua NH-D15 with a 13900KF very soon...

 

[oli.mathieu]

uhm... I don't see any significant difference with Z690 Pro Art ... or am I wrong?

me neither
but i didn't find any detailed spec

 

[Leesureone]

Technically undervolting does not slow down the chip. The default turbo ratios on the 13900k are 5.8 GHz on up to two cores and 5.5 GHz on an all core load. The chip can do this stably at a given minimum voltage.

The problem is that the default voltage on current bioses is not the stable minimum, and are unfortunately way way higher than they need to be. For instance, Asus sets the default voltage on formula to over 1.4 volts. But when an all core load is applied, the Asus default voltage results in power consumption of over 300W with temps approaching 100C.

But by undervolting, you find the minimum voltage for Stable operation. On my 13900K this minimum seems to be around 1.27-1.28V (with a load line of 3). At this voltage, the chip doesn’t slow down and boosts to the default frequencies. But consumes much less power and as a result run cooler as well. So same performance, less watts and less temps.

By undervolting, I was able to shave 40-50W off, and reduce temps by 22 degrees compared to “stock.” Some 13900K chips have a higher SP rating than others, and can sustain higher frequencies at lower voltages (and power consumption) than others. This is where binning comes in.

I am using a kraken z73 360 mm cooler but a 280mm z63 would be fine honestly.

That's a nice explanation, its something I would likely follow your lead on. So do clock speeds stay the same? Are benchmarks with or without voltage adjustment the same?

 

[dehjomz]

That's a nice explanation, it’s something I would likely follow your lead on. So do clock speeds stay the same? Are benchmarks with or without voltage adjustment the same?

Remarkably Benchmarks go up very slightly at the lower voltages. For example, at stock, cinebench r23 scores were around 39,900. But at 100C. With tuning, temps dropped to 78-80C, and scores went up to 40,600. Power consumption dropped from over 300W to 265W. Still a beast of power consumption for sure. But temps declined a lot. Temps during gaming are fine between 40-50C.

The only issue is the idle temps are slightly higher. Alder lake idled at 26-28C. Raptor lake idles at 33-34C. Still good but slightly higher. Idle power consumption is quite low at only 15-18W.

 

[djlild7hina]

uhm... I don't see any significant difference with Z690 Pro Art ... or am I wrong?

There may be a new Intel 2.5 LAN (i-226) but other than that nothing really stands out. Maybe you can use all the M.2 and Sata ports at the same time since there's more PCH lanes on Z790 but the Tech Specs page isn't up yet

 

[SmackAttack]

There may be a new Intel 2.5 LAN (i-226) but other than that nothing really stands out. Maybe you can use all the M.2 and Sata ports at the same time since there's more PCH lanes on Z790 but the Tech Specs page isn't up yet

I haven't tried to compare myself, but didn't they say that 790 allows one (or two) of the m2 slots direct access to CPU? (as opposed to PCH of course). I 'think' there's also support for higher memory clocks (both base and XMP).
Could be misguided 'tho

 

[djlild7hina]

I haven't tried to compare myself, but didn't they say that 790 allows one (or two) of the m2 slots direct access to CPU? (as opposed to PCH of course). I 'think' there's also support for higher memory clocks (both base and XMP).
Could be misguided 'tho

From Anandtech

So more Gen 4 PCH lanes compared to Z690 and an additional USB 3.2 Gen 2x2. Only 1 M.2 is supported from the CPU without splitting lanes from the X16 slot. Z790 does have better memory support but idk how much a difference would be with a Z690 with 13th Gen vs Z790 with 13th Gen

 

[Azimuth1]

From Anandtech

So more Gen 4 PCH lanes compared to Z690 and an additional USB 3.2 Gen 2x2. Only 1 M.2 is supported from the CPU without splitting lanes from the X16 slot. Z790 does have better memory support but idk how much a difference would be with a Z690 with 13th Gen vs Z790 with 13th Gen

my impression is that in the motherboards where the number of M.2 disks is not increased from Z690, the PCIex 16x slots are now (with Z790) all indipendent, meaning they can work X16/X16 without any speed limitations. While in motherboards' layouts where there are up to 5 M.2 ports it goes from X116->x8/x8 like in Z690... but I'm sure about that yet.

I cannot see any advantage in DDr5-5600Mhz as also Z690 chipset can use them in OC mode.

 

[Rag]

Good Morning ...

My z690 arrived, I would like to know if there is any specific setup for BIOS, I tried to find it at the beginning of this topic, but I didn't find it.
Thanks