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I am not knocking them for being aesthetically pleasing. I am saying that being aesthetically pleasing does not make you innovative. Using a Mac today is a Trendy thing, I use one because of the integration with my iPhone that's it. For me the last thing I truly saw as innovative under job's command was his foresight on OS being a ecosystem that you would want to lock users into. Job's knew apple lost the OS war long long ago and they were not an OS company. Job's also knew that hardware was not where they should be aiming either. It was streaming music, movies, email, messaging, web browsing, all digital media interchangeable from your handheld device to your computer should all behave as a cohesive unit. That was innovative that was revolutionary. Everything since has just been the realization of the ecosystem....
A lot of people still fail to see what Apple’s intentions have been since it’s inception, especially Steve Jobs’ introduction of the original Mac in 1984.

And that’s ok. I’ve read comments like this since the 90s even when SJ came back. It’s never stopped.

It’s usually by people who don’t understand what or how powerful utilitarian design is and can be.

And it has nothing to do with being “elitist” etc.

Apple has superior font rendering and built in font tools. Better GUI, less latency in its sound drivers and so on.

First to include FireWire. FCP revolutionized the post production industry. Etc etc.

I could go on for ages but if people fail to see that everything is interconnected, I can’t really help people see here.

Sure PCs have closed the gaps a bit but it’s still not there. There’s also a factor of nostalgia for many Mac users.

Macs for me have always been tools to get things done. While I’ve had PCs, they were like toys to me and I spent more time messing with it than doing actual work.

I hated Apple in the 90s and early 2000s too, but always watched their keynotes out of curiosity. Always thought they had a superiority complex. I got a G3 and the rest is history. The fact that things were much more simpler was fantastic and I could get actual work done. Then studying design, obviously it wouldn’t make sense to use a PC anyhow.

Anyway this subject matter is tired and boring. Macs are not going to beat out PCs in market cap. But value wise for aspiring artists and professionals? They’ve beat PCs for the last 20 years.

You’re not going to “get it” unless you’re a professional or an aspiring artist. Or someone who sees computers as a utility and a luxury.

Go stick with PCs. No one is forcing your hand here. Enjoy removing candy crush and telemetry from Windows 10.
 

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LOL your computer right now that your using is a new PC my friend albeit you put Mac OS on it. Just because it did not come in a case from Dell, HP, Samsung, Asus, or otherwise does not make it any less a PC. To insulate that the other guys as you put them have not came up with game changing tech that would be naive. Yes apple has made a product that is easier for everyone, but I never felt windows or android was hard to use. And after I realized that windows ran awesome on good hardware I never had windows issues. Android on the other hand I find to be trash beta software. That does not change the fact that Samsung makes a fine polished phone, that might actually run IOS better than the iPhone if you could get it to run. But once once again making a fantastic high end polished product does not make you innovative. And jobs beating people in the head till they produced what he wanted does not mean it was his idea.
By PC, I meant pre-built system such as those from Dell or HP.

Remember that Windows stole a lot from Macintosh and Android wholesale ripped off iOS.

I find Samsung and quality in the same sentence an oxymoron.

Again, how many game changers have companies like Samsung, Microsoft, Dell, or HP released?

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By PC, I meant pre-built system such as those from Dell or HP.

Remember that Windows stole a lot from Macintosh and Android wholesale ripped off iOS.

I find Samsung and quality in the same sentence an oxymoron.

Again, how many game changers have companies like Samsung, Microsoft, Dell, or HP released?

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Only reason Android exists is because Eric Schmidt was on the board at Apple and heard that Apple is making a mobile OS, so he left and started the Android project at google.

Android is the least user friendly OS I've ever seen. The user fragmentation is a joke. The hardware and software are similar to what Windows and PCs are, they are not intertwined. Even the Google Pixel....same thing.

Apple is never the first, but they do it right. Sometimes they fail, sometimes they win. They're a very pragmatic company (especially under Jobs) that is willing to rid of old dogma quickly, unlike other companies like HP, Dell, Samsung. They remind me of Sony electronics division which used to experiment and make a bunch of products and dump them if it didn't work.

Also Apple reinvented the streamlined precision Chinese manufacturing that literally every company now from Huawei, Samsung, etc are taking advantage of. This all started with the iPhone and the Unibody MacBook, which both were at least 5 years ahead of the competition.

Now show me a phone or a laptop that doesn't look like an Apple ripoff in one way or another? You can't.

When a smartphone or a tablet can be used from anyone from the age of 6 to 96, there is something there. Apple is one of the only companies that understands and spends a lot of money in R&D for User Interfaces, and even in the 80s they used to hire Frog Design in SF which would make them guides and experimental products for user interfaces.

You should see people's faces when they first use an iOS device, they light up. Especially older people who have never been tech savvy. It takes a second to show them how something is done, or they discover it themselves. Younger people are different now as they grew up with these devices from a very small age.
 
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Only reason Android exists is because Eric Schmidt was on the board at Apple and heard that Apple is making a mobile OS, so he left and started the Android project at google.
Yup. Eric "The Mole" Schmidt. Slimeball.
 
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@pastrychef, @izo1

Great you keep telling me how they made things easier for everyone and I keep agreeing with you that they made everything easier for everyone. That is not really innovative that is smart design, and there were a few touch screens long before IOS but they were way before their time. The last great innovation from jobs was Apple ecosystem. Once again just because everyone wants to look like you does not make you innovative it makes you trendy.

I also know a lot of people that still would prefer their blackberry keyboard or their sidekick keyboard over the digital touch screen of the Iphone/Android.
 

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@pastrychef, @izo1

Great you keep telling me how they made things easier for everyone and I keep agreeing with you that they made everything easier for everyone. That is not really innovative that is smart design, and there were a few touch screens long before IOS but they were way before their time. The last great innovation from jobs was Apple ecosystem. Once again just because everyone wants to look like you does not make you innovative it makes you trendy.
Prior to iPhone, all smartphones that had touch screens used resistive touch screens and stylii were pretty much a necessity. iPhone was first to market with capacitive touch screen. Game changer.

Prior to iPhone, all other smartphones had physical keyboards. Apple was first to market with on screen, touch keyboards. Game changer.

Yes, it's smart design. It's also innovative.
 
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Prior to iPhone, all smartphones that had touch screens used resistive touch screens and stylii were pretty much a necessity. iPhone was first to market with capacitive touch screen. Game changer.

Prior to iPhone, all other smartphones had physical keyboards. Apple was first to market with on screen, touch keyboards. Game changer.
Most of them by the time the time the iPhone was coming out did not need the stylist. Some people would still prefer the physical keyboard.
 
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@pastrychef, @izo1

Great you keep telling me how they made things easier for everyone and I keep agreeing with you that they made everything easier for everyone. That is not really innovative that is smart design, and there were a few touch screens long before IOS but they were way before their time. The last great innovation from jobs was Apple ecosystem. Once again just because everyone wants to look like you does not make you innovative it makes you trendy.

I also know a lot of people that still would prefer their blackberry keyboard or their sidekick keyboard over the digital touch screen of the Iphone/Android.
Things that are popular tend to shift society to a different direction...that's what people call trends.

The PC tech nerd industry can keep hating on Apple, but they're sitting on $1 Trillion for a very good reason.

You don't have to talk to me about what design is. I'm a graphic designer by trade...and not some crappy one who makes fliers for a local band.

The world would be boring without Apple.

I'll just leave these here.


 
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Most of them by the time the time the iPhone was coming out did not need the stylist. Some people would still prefer the physical keyboard.
I don't know what country you're in, but when the original iPhone came out in 2007, the most popular smartphone that was not the BlackBerry was the Motorola Black Jack. They were all crappy phones with physical keys.

You have nostalgia for physical keys, but that's not what the future wanted.

Now the screen is flush and it can be whatever the software tells it to be. The hardware is just a slab. That was revolutionary in 2007. This was before the App Store, which completely changed the game.

PC and Phone nerds can keep talking about tech specs and memory size and gigahertz, but who has a better UI and usability in the end? Apple does.

The only company that got close to what Apple has been doing for years is Huawei, who spent a lot of time tweaking their cameras. And even they were totally ripping off Apple, especially the "MateBook X" or whatever rip off design and name they had.
 
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Most of them by the time the time the iPhone was coming out did not need the stylist. Some people would still prefer the physical keyboard.
I was using a Palm Treo before the iPhone was released. The screen was nowhere near good enough to be used full time without a stylus.

I think Blackberries can still be found on Ebay...
 
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