Apple Previews macOS 11.0 Big Sur - Available Fall 2020

[Luka-s]

They refused me for ARM Mac Mini. Damn!

 

[S1lla]

So why can’t Apple design a 32-core chip?

They can and there are 48 core chips out there but they are not faster then an Intel cpu and also don't cheaper and that's the point.

 

[Rocnroll]

They figured out how to pit windows 10 on a switch, hopefully they will figure out Big Sur!

 

[Bustycat]

They can and there are 48 core chips out there but they are not faster then an Intel cpu and also don't cheaper and that's the point.

Hmm, but why?

 

[anandus]

Apple is known for long support, iOS 14 will be compatible with iPhone 6s (2015).
macOS 11 will be compatible with Mac Pro (2013) and MacBook Air (2013).
They released an intel 10th gen laptop this year, which almost surely will be supported for at least 6 years.

The fact that MacOS 11 is compatible with such old models is because it's a similar architecture, so it's really easy to keep it compatible.

With the last architecture transition Apple only gave three years support. Understandably, because it's a lot of work and possibly limiting for your OS to keep your OS compatible with a different architecture. So it's not 'almost surely' at all.

 

[mattystonnie]

Found an interesting article about the new Apple Silicon Chip and Boot Camp: https://appleinsider.com/articles/2...apps-boot-camp-not-an-option-on-apple-silicon

 

[macos-lover]

The average user has no idea what Intel means. The average user doesn't make a thousand posts about Nvidia support (not even pros do, as they simply want the best options available at a reasonable price, whether they're branded Nvidia or AMD). Again, the average user will keep buying Apple products as long as they're satisfied with them. And there's literally no downside in the ARM switch. I don't know how many of you watched the keynote, but Rosetta 2 ran a 16-million polygons model in Maya (for Intel), with colours, shaders, effects and all at native speed; it also ran a fairly recent Intel game at full speed and high framerate.
Basically, the aforementioned average user will end up with considerably faster Macs and little to no x86 incompatibility: I fail to see how Cook supposedly messed this up. Intel has been lagging behind all of its competitors: ARM chips are getting faster and faster, AMD offers better performances (on the high-end range, the difference is abysmal). Apple had to choose whether to move forward or keep delivering "meh" Macintoshes.

I still remember, even though I was definitely younger, when Apple switched to Intel. Most people said that PowerPC was a superior platform, that Intel was slower and that people would stop buying Macs and Apple would end up licensing Mac OS X. All of them were wrong, just like they will be now. To be honest, I was annoyed at how little progress Intel has been making in the past years, how their roadmap is far from exciting and how Macs do not really deliver a premium performance, on their base models at least (models that cost as much as premium PCs). At least, during the Snow Leopard era, Macs were priced reasonably and offered features, materials, designs and apps that no PC could give you. Finally, with ARM CPUs Apple will be able to surpass Intel like it did with their PowerPC G3 and G4 before the Intel Core line: if the cheapest iPad is faster than most notebooks, imagine what Apple can do with a desktop custom-chip.

Concerning the hackintosh world, yes, it is ending, albeit not immediately. Bear in mind that Apple supported PowerPC CPUs for four years. But most PowerPC machines were already either old, or anyway running on old processors. The PowerPC G5 debuted in 2003: basically, they had 6 years of OS updates (3 of which after switch, sorry for the pun), and were still supported until 2011. Nowadays, with the resources Apple has at its disposal and the large number of Intel machines, we can rest assured that Intel Macs will be supported for at least 5, 6 years. As the new Mac Pro was introduced just last year, Apple can't relinquish those pro users: I wouldn't be surprised if Intel versions will keep coming as long as there's a significant number of Mac Pros running.

Think of the hackintosh adventure as both a Mac OS trial version and an opportunity to learn: after building, understanding and overcoming years of "hardships", anything below actual coding is trivial to most of us. I've always been keen on computers, but I'm grateful for everything I learnt and experienced for free, thanks to Tonymac and their staff, but also thanks to many other, concurrent websites like InsanelyMac. Personally speaking, I'll run my desktop as long as I can: when the time comes, I'll replace it with an ARM Macbook, as Mac hardware will finally be worth Apple's prices. Besides, it's not like every new Mac OS version revolutionises the OS: even 10 years from now, building a cheap hackintosh, e.g. stuck on Mac OS 11.5, as your secondary/living room computer won't be a bad idea at all (just like many people keep running not-up-to-date Windows 10 iterations, Windows 8 and even 7).

it is called evolution of CPU it happened before it will happen again anyone recalls the 486chip shift to Pentium and from P-1234 to intel Core1-9 and now we have ARM it is inevitable intel will surly release a ARM-Core CPU for Laptops and Desktops based on apples Arm-CHIP not Exact but close to it so its not the end of the hackintosh world but its a new beginning and challenge for us all user & Devs alike, so there will be hackingtosh ARM Community in the coming future it is inevitable and cant be denied. tonymacx86 and all the hackintosh sites build team & users, did it once before they can still do it again in due time that for sure.

 

[Smellybeard]

Bootcamp is quite important to a lot of people these days and I wonder how much Microsoft see that too. What about the chances of Windows tracking apple hardware to preserve this option?

 

[MotionC]

Call me cynical, but seldom does the price of anything fall without a sacrifice in either performance, quality or upgradeability. So I think that yes, there will be a MacBook Silicone under a grand, but it will not be a MacBook Pro or have the performance we are used to seeing with current MacBooks Pro or Air. It seems to me that the move to ARM will bring us more models that are likely to be iPads with keyboards than anything else. At least for now. Can someone explain how running DaVinci Resolve would ever work on one of those? Not likely. So maybe for those of us who work with our computers and have loved the Apple OS and its elegant GUI and performance, a change of OS may mean Win or Linux. I do agree however that nothing is going to turn off immediately. I think Apple wants the laptop market, is concerned about the popularity of Chromebooks in Universities and schools where they had a stronger hold in years gone by and need to pair their phone/laptop business. IMHO

 

[tabarus]

So ARM uses less power, that means less heat, which results into less noise.
In the Keynote they also mentioned gaming and graphics. Does that mean that apple will also build high performance graphic chips ? Could that the first time really mean that we could get a high power silent desktop which cost less than $2000? It would be awesome if Apple would finally lower their RAM and SSD prices that move might draw a horde of new customers.