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This is the first customer level CPU I have had in like 15 years. But were they stuck or were they just milking the cow with the core count? Sure they have not been able to keep up with the 14nm as of late. But just think where might we be right now if in 2006 AMD kept their foot on the gas. This is how it has been with every CPU war Intel has been cruising along milking the cow, AMD comes up behind in some exotic sports car and blows Intels doors off forcing intel to step it up. Intel counters with some B17ch get back in your place and AMD drops back into obscurity. Could this new leadership see the errors of the past generations of Leadership at AMD and avoid those pitfalls.... Yes I am absolutely sure they are able to see those pitfalls, I am just not absolutely sure they will avoid them. Conspiracy theory intel controls AMD from the inside and only allows them to succeed when the market calls for a change then dive bombs them into the ground. It is the only explanation for the past performance with each rise and fall.

There's not much doubt in my mind Intel was milking it for as long as they possibly could. The huge price drop in Cascade-X compared to Skylake-X is clear evidence of this.

I don't believe the conspiracy theories. It's crazy talk to me.

As a consumer, I hope both continue to push each other further technologically and drive prices down.

I hope Intel does finally manage to get 10nm consumer level CPUs out the door. I'm anxious to see how those will compare to the AMD 5nm Zen 4. I want to see how Intel will manage heat using the stacking tech they plan on using.
 
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I hope Intel does finally manage to get 10nm consumer level CPUs out the door.

I want to see how Intel will manage heat using the stacking tech they plan on using.

Maybe they are really still are just milking the cow and all the delays are just smoke and mirrors.

Bigger heat sync and fans of course / Water cooling mandatory? They are not going to manage the heat we are. If the chip needs it someone will make a cooler for it and the power draw does not overly concern me either.
 

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Maybe they are really still are just milking the cow and all the delays are just smoke and mirrors.

Bigger heat sync and fans of course / Water cooling mandatory? They are not going to manage the heat we are. If the chip needs it someone will make a cooler for it and the power draw does not overly concern me either.

Again, I don't believe in those conspiracy theories.

By stacking chiplets, the heat management of the bottom chiplets will be on Intel, not the end users.
 
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Again, I don't believe in those conspiracy theories.

By stacking chiplets, the heat management of the bottom chiplets will be on Intel, not the end users.

One mans conspiracy theories is the next mans truth. Wrap around heat sync.
 
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You don't have to do anything.




What the else are people supposed to compare to??? It's latest AMD vs latest Intel. You can't expect people to compare latest AMD to unreleased Intel tech.





IDK about Windows, but 5700 XT seems to be working nicely on macOS now.





Here you go. Gaming benchmarks at the bottom of the article.

hello pastry chef, nothing wrong with thinking different and having a different point of view
we just see things in a different way

i have something to do, express my opinion but is ok for you to disagree
nothing new since you are always defending AMD
remember nvidia web drivers lol

you totally missed my point
yes they are comparing it against intel latest but everybody knows that intel is behind schedule
can't blame AMD for taking advantage of the situation
but let's be honest, everybody knows that those intel cpu's are a refresh of a refresh
so is not really intel latest, intel need to update their facilities in order to move to 10 nm and 7 nm

AMD is just going for core count plain and simple
yes that is good for MT but let's not forget core speed ST

the 3950 barely beats the 10980xe and the 10980xe is a 14 nm CPU
even those CPU are based on old tech they are not doing that bad

where AMD has the upper hand is in TR
see i'm fair i called like it is

the 3950 is dual chanel , no quad like the 10980xe
the 3950 is only 16 lanes , good luck trying to add any more pci-e devices

so is not all against intel

as for your next comment
yes the 5700 xt might be doing a little better on mac os , now
after 10.15.3 , apple had the drivers since 10.15 beta
the 580 was having better performance than the newer 5700 untill recently
probably still is

thanks for the benchmark but i seen all the benchmarks

i give intel the benefit of the doubt, i will give them some time
if after a reasonable amount of time they can't get the job done
then i say AMD has taken over, yes they might have for now
but is only temporary, not permanent
this is not about fanaticism, this happened before
AMD took over for a short time but them intel came back strong and it dominated for years
when AMD goes on top it never last long

i do thanks AMD for putting intel against the wall
now intel has to lower their prices and make better cpu's
that is a win for all of us
but AMD might just awaken the sleeping giant

intel has more money that AMD to invest in development

if after intel fixes their facilities AMD still kicking their behind then there is no excuse
but don't be so quick to throw the towel and declare AMD the winner
you need to win the fight not just one round

regards

i always like writing to you even you disagree with everything i write
but for some reason i have fun that way
 

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you totally missed my point
yes they are comparing it against intel latest but everybody knows that intel is behind schedule
can't blame AMD for taking advantage of the situation
but let's be honest, everybody knows that those intel cpu's are a refresh of a refresh
so is not really intel latest, intel need to update their facilities in order to move to 10 nm and 7 nm

Who's to blame for this??? Only Intel!!

Who offered sympathy for AMD when Intel was kicking their butts??



AMD is just going for core count plain and simple
yes that is good for MT but let's not forget core speed ST

Again, here's AMD 8 core vs Intel 8 core.
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the 3950 barely beats the 10980xe and the 10980xe is a 14 nm CPU
even those CPU are based on old tech they are not doing that bad

Wait. What??? Are you delusional???

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the 3950 is dual chanel , no quad like the 10980xe
the 3950 is only 16 lanes , good luck trying to add any more pci-e devices

AMD is also already on PCI-e 4 while PCI-e 4 is nowhere to be seen on Intels roadmap.
 

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AMD is just going for core count plain and simple
yes that is good for MT but let's not forget core speed ST

Does it really matter how AMD is kicking Intel's ass? More cores or better IPC doesn't matter if they do so with lower power consumption.

When an Intel i9-9900 outperforms an Intel i3-9100, it also does it with with more core counts. Why is that not a problem for you?

If this was the only problem/solution, why doesn't Intel just release CPUs with more cores than AMD???


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let me tell you a little secret, AMD CPU are basically pre overclocked from factory
that's why they are very bad overclockers

also there are a few things that no one is mentioning like most of AMD boards coming with PBO enable by default
which it overclocks the CPU

so intel CPU are running or bench at base with just 2 cores at turbo boost
also if you look at your benchmarks the 3950x is using ram 3600 mhz
while the intel CPU is running or using ram at 3200 mhz very fair comparison, right?
i know the 3950x will still win by a little
but the comparison should be apples to apples
meaning both system running the ram at the same speed

most of those reviewers and/or youtubers are under AMD payroll
they get their cpus for free
so they will say anything to make intel look bad
so they can get a free AMD cpu

i know you will say that intel is doing a fine job at making themselves look bad

once again here is the deal
once you overclock the 10980xe , it will beat the 3950x by 1,000 points in cinebench R20

the 3950x will increase the base numbers by 1,000
while the intel CPU will increase the numbers by 2,000 and beat the 3950x by 1,000 points

but of course no AMD fan is going to tell that
intel cpu are better for overclocking or they overclock much higher or better than AMD CPU
simply because AMD chips are already pre overclock from factory
that's why they can't go that high

i know AMD is winning right now as we speak or as i type
but they are on 7nm while intel still at 14
is funny how intel can still hang in there with their old cpu while AMD have their latest and best chips out

like i said before the advantage is with TR but that is to the fact of the many cores

yes i admit intel had some high prices in the past, you see i'm always fair and i admit the truth
yes AMD is helping by forcing intel to lower their prices and to make better cpu at a better price

no one is taking AMD credit away
but the fact still remains
AMD goes up for a few months after being down for years
now everybody is jumping in the AMD bandwagon and throwing dirt at intel

AMD can go up for a year or 2 no big deal
once intel goes up they sit on their throne for over a decade

the same people that are defending AMD and saying all these negatives things about intel
are the same one that are going to leave AMD behind once intel gets back on business

don't believe the hype
 
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let me tell you a little secret, AMD CPU are basically pre overclocked from factory
that's why they are very bad overclockers

also there are a few things that no one is mentioning like most of AMD boards coming with PBO enable by default
which it overclocks the CPU

so intel CPU are running or bench at base with just 2 cores at turbo boost
also if you look at your benchmarks the 3950x is using ram 3600 mhz
while the intel CPU is running or using ram at 3200 mhz very fair comparison, right?
i know the 3950x will still win by a little
but the comparison should be apples to apples
meaning both system running the ram at the same speed

most of those reviewers and/or youtubers are under AMD payroll
they get their cpus for free
so they will say anything to make intel look bad
so they can get a free AMD cpu

i know you will say that intel is doing a fine job at making themselves look bad

once again here is the deal
once you overclock the 10980xe , it will beat the 3950x by 1,000 points in cinebench R20

the 3950x will increase the base numbers by 1,000
while the intel CPU will increase the numbers by 2,000 and beat the 3950x by 1,000 points

but of course no AMD fan is going to tell that
intel cpu are better for overclocking or they overclock much higher or better than AMD CPU
simply because AMD chips are already pre overclock from factory
that's why they can't go that high

i know AMD is winning right now as we speak or as i type
but they are on 7nm while intel still at 14
is funny how intel can still hang in there with their old cpu while AMD have their latest and best chips out

like i said before the advantage is with TR but that is to the fact of the many cores

yes i admit intel had some high prices in the past, you see i'm always fair and i admit the truth
yes AMD is helping by forcing intel to lower their prices and to make better cpu at a better price

no one is taking AMD credit away
but the fact still remains
AMD goes up for a few months after being down for years
now everybody is jumping in the AMD bandwagon and throwing dirt at intel

AMD can go up for a year or 2 no big deal
once intel goes up they sit on their throne for over a decade

the same people that are defending AMD and saying all these negatives things about intel
are the same one that are going to leave AMD behind once intel gets back on business

don't believe the hype

I don't have time to read these excessively long winded posts that go nowhere.
 
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ok here is a short one
keep in mind that i didn't complaint about your bench screenshots

the first time i saw those huge AMD TR CPU
the first thing that came to my mind is that those are like 2 CPU in one
instead of dual CPU socket, well put 2 CPU together in one package

so intel is basically going against 2 CPU
and even AMD using 2 CPU at once
they barely beat intel old chips

in the year 2030, AMD CPU are going to be as big as today motherboards
:lol:
 
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