Apple Previews macOS 11.0 Big Sur - Available Fall 2020

Simon70 said:

Good old days, those of the Commodore 64.
I remember using the external doors to drive a series of stepper motors mounted on a rudimentary tool made with DIY tools. How many years have passed before seeing the first 3d printer....
I remember always confronting a friend of mine who had chosen the way of the Sinclair ZX Spectrum with the Z80 ...
Then from 64 I went to Amiga 2000, I felt I was on another planet ...
After the Amiga I took the Intel route on: the first was a 286 and then I lost count up to here ... yes Windows has few secret...
But still I face this world with the same spirit of discovery for each novelty and for each one I get excited as at the arrival of the 64...

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My first privately owned computer was an Acorn Atom... I expanded it myself with a 16K RAM board. Pure vastness... I have also owned a Sinclair Z80, and a Commodore 64 with and extra 6581 soundchip that I fed into my home built modular synth.
Then a PC (Apricot) for which I designed and built a MIDI board. Then Atari's. Finally Macs.

ZX80, ZX81, BBC Model B, XT clone, Osborne, Lisa, 386, 486, An AMD Athlon, Pentiums of various sorts, 3770k (still)

There is a bit of drift off topic, but not so much, after all, a new version of the operating system that is born always looks to the past ...
And then a bit of nostalgic memories never hurt, especially as they show how much road has been done and who knows how much more will have to be done. Although in recent years I have noticed a sharp slowdown in innovation (the real one).
The limits of physics are beginning to be felt seriously and new technologies capable of acting as a pillar to overcoming those limits peep out, but remain in the advanced research laboratories.
Intel's "as long as it makes money, it exploits" philosophy is popular.

Here's the Big Sur part of Apple's Big Picture. It's one of many ways Apple wants you to keep paying them money on a monthly basis, year after year. When they sell you a Mac they make a good profit but they want even more than that. If they sell a new Apple Silicon Macbook Air at a lower $699 to $799 starting price they'll bring in many new customers that have never owned a Mac. They'll purchase apps and subscriptions to services that they pay for by the month. iPhone sales are going to be way down this year. The people that already have them can still buy more apps and services on the phones they have.

The Covid-19 pandemic has affected smartphone manufacture and demand, with sales expected to reach a ten-year low in 2020. We’ll find out how hard store and factory closures hit Apple during its earnings call on July 30.

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iPhone users are keeping their phones longer than they ever have. This is why Apple is still letting iPhone 6S users upgrade to iOS 14 this Fall.

In the following Youtube video, you can see the overall plan Apple has to not only sell more Macs but ultimately make more money from services and apps. If the Big Sur GUI looks just like that on the iPhone and iPad and can run the same apps, then Apple mobile device users will be more likely to buy their first Mac laptop or even a Mac mini or iMac. Even Android and Windows users will be more likely to buy their first Apple device. Sounds simple, doesn't it ?


If you only want to see the Big Sur specific part of the video start watching at the 8:51 timestamp. The first 8:50 goes into more about iPhones and iOS and their marketing strategy but is still relevant info for the bigger picture.

Sounds familiar! I think I was on your board!

pastrychef said:

I ran one called Palace ATASCII on Forum and later MichTron.

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trs96 said:

Here's the Big Sur, Big Picture. It's one of many ways Apple wants you to keep paying them money on a monthly basis, year after year. When they sell you a Mac they make a good profit but they want even more than that. If they sell a new Apple Silicon Macbook Air at a lower $699 to $799 starting price they'll bring in many new customers that have never owned a Mac. They'll purchase apps and subscriptions to services that they pay for by the month. In the following Youtube video, you can see the overall plan Apple has to not only sell more Macs but ultimately make more money from services and apps. If the Big Sur GUI looks just like that on the iPhone and iPad and can run the same apps, then Apple mobile device users will be more likely to buy their first Mac laptop or even a Mac mini or iMac. Even Android and Windows users will be more likely to buy their first Apple device. Sounds simple, doesn't it ?

If you only want to see the Big Sur specific part of the video start watching at the 8:51 timestamp. The first 8:50 goes into more about iPhones and iOS 14 but is still relevant info.

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Subscriptions has been the strategy a lot of tech companies have been shifting to for quite some time. Adobe does it with Creative Cloud. Microsoft does it with Office 365. BMW even turned CarPlay in to a subscription!! Wall Street loves the recurring revenues and rewards the companies that have successful subscription business models.

Personally, I despise subscriptions. I try to eliminate as many from my life as possible. It was the end users who allowed this to happen. If companies can do it and make money from it, they will continue to do it.

As for the apparent merging of iOS and macOS, I think it's a good thing. I do not think that macOS will end up being iOS. At WWDC last year, Apple clearly said that we would always be able to disable SIP and we would be able to install apps outside of the App Store on macOS. Not having this "walled garden" is what will separate iOS and macOS.

For me, I'm looking forward to the Apple Silicon Macs. I'm hoping to see some passively cooled Macs again. I think the last time I had a passively cooled Mac was the B&W PowerMac G3.

pastrychef said:

Personally, I despise subscriptions. I try to eliminate as many from my life as possible. It was the end users who allowed this to happen. If companies can do it and make money from it, they will continue to do it.

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+1 I'm no fan of Apple subscription services. I've no free time to watch Apple TV, game with Apple Arcade or read Apple News. So many more important things to do with my time.

+2, no subscriptions here either, I refuse to pay monthly fees for services I hardly use. Though I am a fan of Apple news, I don't pay for any subscriptions through that App either. How much more is being paid per year to use these subscription based services for your Mac?. AS will be good for Apple but I don't see them passing that goodness to the customer who will see prices for services go up.

Will be OpenGL/CL removed in Big Sur or is it still in deprecation state ?
[EDIT] will stay deprecated

Simon70 said:

Good old days, those of the Commodore 64.
I remember using the external doors to drive a series of stepper motors mounted on a rudimentary tool made with DIY tools. How many years have passed before seeing the first 3d printer....
I remember always confronting a friend of mine who had chosen the way of the Sinclair ZX Spectrum with the Z80 ...
Then from 64 I went to Amiga 2000, I felt I was on another planet ...
After the Amiga I took the Intel route on: the first was a 286 and then I lost count up to here ... yes Windows has few secret...
But still I face this world with the same spirit of discovery for each novelty and for each one I get excited as at the arrival of the 64...

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TRS-80 Color Computer was my first computer in 1980 and I was only 10 years old. Got Commodore 64, Timex Sinclaire 1000, IBM PCjr, IBM PC XT and afterward lost count of all Intel based computers. I would like to try to get one of those old computer as collectible so I can show my kid what ancient computers was like. I remembered playing TRS-80 computer cassettes and it sounded like a band of violins playing terribly at full speed.