Will It, Won't It — 7950X & Asus X670E-F gaming Wifi

[craighazan]

Interesting conversation going on over at AMD OSX, some Ryzen 7000 Testing in progress!. You decide!.

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[etorix]

Possibly. Hopefully.

But the "X670E" is purely for bragging rights. "E" boards feature a PCIe 5.0 slot to the GPU instead of PCIe 4.0. There are no PCIe 5.0 GPUs yet, and future PCIe 5.0 GPUs may never have macOS drivers. It is also dubious that any GPU workload would actually make use of the full PCIe 5.0 x16 bandwidth…
I'd take a X670 board with a pair of bifurcated x8/x8 PCIe 4.0 slots over a X670E with a single PCIe 5.0 x16. And B650 over X670, unless the extra I/O (all ultimetely passing through the same PCIe 4.0 x4 link to the CPU) is really required (what for?).

 

[craighazan]

@Shaneee we have 3 votes of confidence here for the X670E-F and 7950X, what are you thoughts?, will it or won't it.

 

[craighazan]

@Middleman Are you confident?, I'm seeing progress over there, I recognize the last verbose screen. And don't give up with your 'Think different' approach, I love it!.

 

[craighazan]

Possibly. Hopefully.

But the "X670E" is purely for bragging rights. "E" boards feature a PCIe 5.0 slot to the GPU instead of PCIe 4.0. There are no PCIe 5.0 GPUs yet, and future PCIe 5.0 GPUs may never have macOS drivers. It is also dubious that any GPU workload would actually make use of the full PCIe 5.0 x16 bandwidth…
I'd take a X670 board with a pair of bifurcated x8/x8 PCIe 4.0 slots over a X670E with a single PCIe 5.0 x16. And B650 over X670, unless the extra I/O (all ultimetely passing through the same PCIe 4.0 x4 link to the CPU) is really required (what for?).

I couldn't survive on the bleeding edge, though fun to keep track of!. There's word of more mainstream CPU's and an APU arriving in 2023, and I hope a 620 chipset. 650 boards are steadily leaking out with prices starting around the $200 mark, if they want people to adopt they're going to have to be more aggressive. Microcenter have started bundling DDR5 with select Ryzen 7 and 9 CPU's, I think we're going to see some tempting bundles this season!.

 

[Middleman]

@Middleman Are you confident?, I'm seeing progress over there, I recognize the last verbose screen. And don't give up with your 'Think different' approach, I love it!.

Thanks @craighazan! Yes I guess I do try to 'think different' - persistence I guess is the key to most things in life. As for whether I believe it will boot, yes I definitely think so. And despite what's been said I still think it is the GPU that is causing the issue. How do I know this? Because it is the only thing that is largely different spec-wise to the 5000 series. However it may be trickier than first thought because it is using the new Raphael series and not Vega 3 like the 5800H in the Lenovo Legion 5.

 

[etorix]

There's word of more mainstream CPU's and an APU arriving in 2023, and I hope a 620 chipset.

All Ryzen 7000 are APUs of sorts, since they all have an iGPU… for which macOS has no driver.
As for a 620 chipset, that seems dubious, as it would contradict the thinking between the X670 and B650: Four commercial offers from a single piece of silicon. X670 is two B650 chained. 'E' variants are the same chip in a motherboard that is manufactured to the tighter requirements of PCIe 5.0.

Incidentally, it's funny to see people complaining about the lack of Mini-ITX offerings in the first batch of X670(E) boards: You can't put lots of I/O on a tiny Mini-ITX, so the two chipsets of X670 just doesn't make sense here. Mini-ITX will come with B650 boards. (But manufacturers want early adopters to buy their expensive Super-Hyper-Extra X670E boards first. Possibly in E-ATX size so there's one more 'E' )

 

[craighazan]

All Ryzen 7000 are APUs of sorts, since they all have an iGPU… for which macOS has no driver.
As for a 620 chipset, that seems dubious, as it would contradict the thinking between the X670 and B650: Four commercial offers from a single piece of silicon. X670 is two B650 chained. 'E' variants are the same chip in a motherboard that is manufactured to the tighter requirements of PCIe 5.0.

Incidentally, it's funny to see people complaining about the lack of Mini-ITX offerings in the first batch of X670(E) boards: You can't put lots of I/O on a tiny Mini-ITX, so the two chipsets of X670 just doesn't make sense here. Mini-ITX will come with B650 boards. (But manufacturers want early adopters to buy their expensive Super-Hyper-Extra X670E boards first. Possibly in E-ATX size so there's one more 'E' )

I agree the 620 doesn’t make much sense, especially considering AMD’s continued support for the AM4 platform. They teased new 5000 series CPUs earlier this year, that would create the ‘Budget’ category.

 

[craighazan]

They got Ventura working!.

 

[rhys216]

IT FREAKING WORKS!!!