Apple M1 vs Hackintosh

[scottkendall]

****in m1 cant run autocad or windows 98/xp/vista/8/10/11

Four of those OS are dead OS and actually likely do not run natively on z370 system due to lack of drives. And like anyone wants to run Vista it was a dumpster fire when it was the current os many people stayed on XP till windows 7 due to how bad vista was. Windows 8 was dropped by Microsoft like a bad habit... Windows 10 is nearing its EOL. However, you can run windows 10 on ARM and windows 11 on ARM via parallels on the M1 so yea you are only half correct.. Autocad for Mac is a crippled, and Autodesk does not plan to keep making updates for it. Any serious professional has moved past Autocad to some form of parametric software. If you need to run windows software have a decided windows system or just stay in the past because the future of Mac is Apple Silicon M1 or M1x or M2 or what ever they name the next version of their silicon.

 

[Jamesbond007]

If you need to run windows software have a decided windows system or just stay in the past because the future of Mac is Apple Silicon M1 or M1x or M2 or what ever they name the next version of their silicon.

Yes, I agree.

But personally I need and want to "stay in the past" as I require, want and need the capability to run Windows software (like some old games dating back to the Windows 98 days), so this future of Mac with Apple Silicon is one that I won't be going along, at least until a way is found to run Windows (and not the ARM version) with acceptable performance on Apple Silicon.

So I am staying with Windows 7 / Windows 8.1 on the Windows side and MacOS High Sierra / Mojave on the Mac side and use VMware Workstation (Windows) and VMware Fusion (Mac) to run older versions of Windows like Windows 98 / Windows XP which allows me to keep running these softwares. I don't, and won't care about any supposed end of support for these operating systems.

This will suit me fine as I am not a "serious professional" anyway.

One more thing : Windows 10 still has more than 4 years before its supposed EOL (October 2025). So I don't think it is "nearing its EOL" yet.

For others who do not have the baggage of older softwares to keep, it may suit them to go along with this future of Mac with Apple Silicon.

 

[scottkendall]

Yes, I agree.

But personally I need and want to "stay in the past" as I require, want and need the capability to run Windows software (like some old games dating back to the Windows 98 days), so this future of Mac with Apple Silicon is one that I won't be going along, at least until a way is found to run Windows (and not the ARM version) with acceptable performance on Apple Silicon.

So I am staying with Windows 7 / Windows 8.1 on the Windows side and MacOS High Sierra / Mojave on the Mac side and use VMware Workstation (Windows) and VMware Fusion (Mac) to run older versions of Windows like Windows 98 / Windows XP which allows me to keep running these softwares. I don't, and won't care about any supposed end of support for these operating systems.

This will suit me fine as I am not a "serious professional" anyway.

One more thing : Windows 10 still has more than 4 years before its supposed EOL (October 2025). So I don't think it is "nearing its EOL" yet.

For others who do not have the baggage of older softwares to keep, it may suit them to go along with this future of Mac with Apple Silicon.

The serious professional comment was directed only at the Autocad mostly because I despise it. Parametric modeling or BIM modeling is at least a 100% more efficient work flow even for little things.

4 years is not a very long time and it will have come and pass before we know it. I am not a very nostalgic person so the old is the old and when its time has been served it is time to put it to rest. If ever a need arose I do have a OEM windows 98, 2000, XP, 7, CD still all in pristine condition but I doubt they will ever see the light of day again. I believe in preserving history just not to continue to use it. One day you to mr bond will run a apple silicon chip...........

 

[awediohead]

Unfortunately I have 25 years of Logic projects that I need to access, plus expensive hardware that is not compatible with Windows or Linux.

I've only got 20 odd years, but otherwise same boat. My hardware is firewire based and far too good (RME) to just ditch because they've reinvented interface connectivity again, again ...
So the irony is that in order for me to run my home studio how I want to - multiple displays, quality hardware, software I'm familiar with etc. a hackintosh is still by far the best/most cost effective choice - and that's before upgrade-ability, expansion, ease of repair and so on.
I appreciate it depends on what kind of performance an audio engineer needs (or thinks they need!) but having learned with DAWs in the 1990's tbh even my oldest Intel hacks (2014) play my largest projects easily. I think that's mostly about how we learned to use system resources sparingly, cos we had no choice.
Also, while it's not critical atm for me I also really like the principle that at any time I can multiboot MacOS/OSX versions back to 10.8, easily multiboot into Linux (I do like to keep checking it out for DAW work) and even Windows once in a blue moon.
Actually my hardware would work perfectly well on Windows 10 but obviously I can't access my Logic projects. Also I've managed to get through the last 30 odd years without bothering with Windows and see no reason to start now!
Lastly while I hugely respect the core engineering that's gone into M1, what Apple continue to do with their design ethos leaves me cold and their attitude toward right to repair very angry. I hope that the wider world of tech catches up on what Apple have done with ARM asap so we can all enjoy powerful and efficient performance without paying the various forms of Apple tax.

 

[Middleman]

awediohead,

Totally understand where you're coming from. Longtime Apple user myself (having owned a number of G4s & G5s/MacMinis before) and I've upset with the direction Apple is heading with Right-to-Repair. It sucks when you can't even upgrade a simple SSD or extra RAM for the system.

If there's any consolation about a future-proofed hackintosh build, you should check out Framework's latest laptop.
> https://www.tomsguide.com/opinion/t...future-of-laptops-and-thats-why-im-buying-one

It is totally upgradeable in almost every sense of the word (from RAM, monitor, battery, internal drives, CPU+GPU to connectors), and the company is even planning a version that allows both an Intel & ARM CPU to be 'interchangeable'. So when a new CPU/GPU arrives you can expect to just take the old one out and drop it in without doing any other major part replacement which makes it absolutely suited for hackintoshing. And not having to keep replacing entire laptops means less e-waste, so better for the environment overall. I think this is the way tech should be going for the future.

 

[Jamesbond007]

The serious professional comment was directed only at the Autocad mostly because I despise it. Parametric modeling or BIM modeling is at least a 100% more efficient work flow even for little things.

4 years is not a very long time and it will have come and pass before we know it. I am not a very nostalgic person so the old is the old and when its time has been served it is time to put it to rest. If ever a need arose I do have a OEM windows 98, 2000, XP, 7, CD still all in pristine condition but I doubt they will ever see the light of day again. I believe in preserving history just not to continue to use it. One day you to mr bond will run a apple silicon chip...........

No, I don't think I will ever use a Mac with an Apple Silicon chip, at least not until it is able to run Intel operating systems and softwares with acceptable performance either in virtualization or emulation. I am a semi-retired person, and I am too wedded to Intel operating systems and its softwares. Most of my life is spent along with Windows (Intel, not ARM) and I don't see that changing anytime soon.

I did once consider getting a M1 Mac mini due to its energy efficiency and superior performance, but once I learned that it can't run VMware Fusion and its associated Intel virtual machines I shelved the plan indefinitely as this capability is essential to me.

Yes, 4 years is not a very long time, and Big Sur and Monterey are so nearing its EOL, earlier than Windows 10, haha.

 

[Jamesbond007]

If there's any consolation about a future-proofed hackintosh build, you should check out Framework's latest laptop.
> https://www.tomsguide.com/opinion/t...future-of-laptops-and-thats-why-im-buying-one

It is totally upgradeable in almost every sense of the word (from RAM, monitor, battery, internal drives, CPU+GPU to connectors), and the company is even planning a version that allows both an Intel & ARM CPU to be 'interchangeable'. So when a new CPU/GPU arrives you can expect to just take the old one out and drop it in without doing any other major part replacement which makes it absolutely suited for hackintoshing. And not having to keep replacing entire laptops means less e-waste, so better for the environment overall. I think this is the way tech should be going for the future.

That thing and the vision it offers sounds too good to be true, in my opinion. Everything is upgradable, really?

It will be great if it actually comes to pass, but I find it hard to believe right now. Just have to see if it actually materializes as a actual product and its future.

 

[mohamedamr]

Four of those OS are dead OS and actually likely do not run natively on z370 system due to lack of drives. And like anyone wants to run Vista it was a dumpster fire when it was the current os many people stayed on XP till windows 7 due to how bad vista was. Windows 8 was dropped by Microsoft like a bad habit... Windows 10 is nearing its EOL. However, you can run windows 10 on ARM and windows 11 on ARM via parallels on the M1 so yea you are only half correct.. Autocad for Mac is a crippled, and Autodesk does not plan to keep making updates for it. Any serious professional has moved past Autocad to some form of parametric software. If you need to run windows software have a decided windows system or just stay in the past because the future of Mac is Apple Silicon M1 or M1x or M2 or what ever they name the next version of their silicon.

Ioptimizer that used on darwin (macOS core) makes the m1 faster than i9-10900k but if we used it with core 2 duo it would be daster than m1 . The x64 is the future not low quality arm

 

[awediohead]

If there's any consolation about a future-proofed hackintosh build, you should check out Framework's latest laptop.
> https://www.tomsguide.com/opinion/t...future-of-laptops-and-thats-why-im-buying-one

I've been following developments with Framework for a while via Louis Rossman and others. I'm delighted the project even exists and still happier that they would seem to be having some success. They've also made some bold statements about being accountable and staying on mission in years to come.

My guess is that if they'd tried to launch this even five years ago the project might easily have failed, not because they don't make a good product, but because people weren't quite angry enough back then to vote with their wallets.
While I doubt Framework will grab enough marketshare to trouble any of the big manufacturers, I think they might be just successful enough to create some ripples and generate some awareness that people are getting very fed up with the direction things are heading. If that only results in just a few manufacturers deciding not to solder RAM to the motherboard, or be a tiny bit more helpful to third party repair, then that's all positive.

 

[scottkendall]

The x64 is the future not low quality arm

Not for Apple, and calling it low quality because you do not like it shows your ignorance’s.