Apple Previews macOS 11.0 Big Sur - Available Fall 2020

[trs96]

Thanks! What about a late 3rd generation i7 processor on an IvyBridge capable motherboard? Will that run macOS Big Sur?

Only with a supported graphics card and the right SMBIOS. Here's the Macs that still have support. You'd need to use something like iMac 15,1 which is the 2014 iMac SMBIOS.

 

[G-man]

I think the hackintosh dev's will find a way to hack the arm CPU. It would be awesome to have android phones with TWRP running iOS, or 64 Raspberry pi's with Big Sur. I think you guys can hack anything. Please make this happen. Even if it will take you a couple years to achieve that, it will be worth the trouble. Thanks again for all your work!

 

[scottkendall]

I think the hackintosh dev's will find a way to hack the arm CPU.

They will find a way to emulate but Apple Silicon CPU is not really the same thing as a Samsung ARM-based CPU so even if there were motherboards that supported an ARM CPU they likely would not be the same as an Apple Silicon CPU. Currently, we can Hackintosh because the Intel CPU that powers consumer PC and the Intel CPU that power apple machines are the exact same. A Samsung ARM CPU and an Apple Silicon CPU are as different as Power PC and x86 are. I have a feeling that people who want to run Hackintosh after apple stop using Intel are going to be stuck running Windows or Linux and using an emulator to run Mac OS.

 

[UtterDisbelief]

They will find a way to emulate but Apple Silicon CPU is not really the same thing as a Samsung ARM-based CPU so even if there were motherboards that supported an ARM CPU they likely would not be the same as an Apple Silicon CPU. Currently, we can Hackintosh because the Intel CPU that powers consumer PC and the Intel CPU that power apple machines are the exact same. A Samsung ARM CPU and an Apple Silicon CPU are as different as Power PC and x86 are. I have a feeling that people who want to run Hackintosh after apple stop using Intel are going to be stuck running Windows or Linux and using an emulator to run Mac OS.

True.

And also we have to remember Apple Silicon is not just an ARM CPU, it's a SOC. Much more added. Remember the (very) old ULAs?

 

[UtterDisbelief]

On a longer time frame, will there be any 'compatible' ARM motherboards coming down the line that will allow the hackintosh culture and expertise to continue?

Doubtful. Windows can already run on some ARM architectures and there are ARM servers out there. If the whole Windows world doesn't mind changing over, or Microsoft produces two retail versions, then the big motherboard manufacturers might take notice. But even if so, it's unlikely they will be anything like Apple Silicon SOC capable.

 

[scottkendall]

True.

And also we have to remember Apple Silicon is not just an ARM CPU, it's a SOC. Much more added. Remember the (very) old ULAs?

Exactly so all of the other system components on the SOC will not have PC counterparts thus no drivers. Though it may be totally possible to write your own drivers. I personally will likely just buy a "Real Mac" and since the bulk of my work is done in a windows VM that VM will either become an Emulation or a Remote headless desktop. Though I will probably hang with the hack until the Mac Pro is updated.

 

[scottkendall]

Doubtful. Windows can already run on some ARM architectures and there are ARM servers out there. If the whole Windows world doesn't mind changing over, or Microsoft produces two retail versions, then the big motherboard manufacturers might take notice. But even if so, it's unlikely they will be anything like Apple Silicon SOC capable.

A quote from another site:

"Third-party Windows applications can also compile for Arm, although many legacy apps are yet to embrace the platform. Fear not though, Windows 10 Arm emulates x86 applications with very decent performance. x64 emulation is in the works but isn’t expected to arrive until 2021."

So the retail version is on its way. Maybe Microsoft will be crafty and make sure it runs on Apple Silicon. I would Imagen that the guys over at MS realize that the change apple is making will cut into their profits. Because Mac users like to run windows for gaming and other non-Mac programs.

 

[Akisonfire]

https://www.macworld.co.uk/news/mac/imac-2020-3696859/

I know this is rather a hopeful post of mine but does having a iMac 2020 release with Intel processors give a little hope towards more time of hackintoshing?

 

[curtistn]

https://www.macworld.co.uk/news/mac/imac-2020-3696859/

I know this is rather a hopeful post of mine but does having a iMac 2020 release with Intel processors give a little hope towards more time of hackintoshing?

Wow! It would apparently seem so. With macOS Big Sur supporting Intel CPUs and the (now) use of 10th generation iCore CPUs, it's promising that hackintoshing with newer/current components is a reality. Keeping with Apple's trend, support will likely continue for a few (3?) years to come. Hooray!

 

[scottkendall]

Wow! It would apparently seem so. With macOS Big Sur supporting Intel CPUs and the (now) use of 10th generation iCore CPUs, it's promising that hackintoshing with newer/current components is a reality. Keeping with Apple's trend, support will likely continue for a few (3?) years to come. Hooray!

Apple has been using 10gen chips in mac book air for a few months and is assumed to be the last generation that will be used in Apple products. The reality is that unless you have to have the latest OS and your not a Hardware junkie your system can last much longer. Many of my music buddies never upgrade the OS until they upgrade the system. With one of them even claiming that being connected to the internet degrades OS purity.