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Apple Previews macOS 11.0 Big Sur - Available Fall 2020

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My question here is, what happens to Apple Silicon based macs when no longer supported? are we expected to simply "e-cycle" them? what a waste! At least my iMac from late 2013 can live out the rest of its useful life as a windows (yuck! I know), or Linux box for many years to come!

This is the same scenario we used to face when our old PowerPC Macs became outdated. I used to sell my systems every time a new model came out and upgraded. Apple has made it easier now with the Mac trade-in program.
 
Fastest computer in the world is ARM
this was discussed like 25 pages ago, is not because is an arm computer, is simply because it has i don’t even remeber how many more cpus and cores than the one in 2nd place, yes the fastest pc in the world is arm but if someone build another intel or amd computer with probably the same number of cpu or even more then that one is going to be faster, is like saying that arm is faster than intel or amd simply because that computer has 100 cpu versus the intel or amd computer that only have 1 cpu

people are simply twisting things, i’m not saying you, i’m talking about when this comment first started like 25 pages ago

the arm computer has more cpus and more cores than the one that is in 2nd place, so they win because the number of cores and cpus not because arm is faster or better individually

compared 1 of those arm cpu with one from intel from the 2nd fastest pc and tell me if the arm cpu is faster when is a fair , 1 against 1 comparison
 
My question here is, what happens to Apple Silicon based macs when no longer supported? are we expected to simply "e-cycle" them? what a waste! At least my iMac from late 2013 can live out the rest of its useful life as a windows (yuck! I know), or Linux box for many years to come!

Unfortunately it'll end up like PowerPC Macs if Apple's ARM is proprietary designed and incompatible with other OS but that's very far in the future and I most likely will be buried 6 feet underground by the time Apple comes up with something revolutionary assuming if Apple or the world still exist. :crazy:
 
I ran Linux on my PPC Macs years ago and even after they stopped getting supported. That is till Linux dripped PPC.
I also helped in the development of PPC Linux here and there.

I have no idea how locked down or not an “Armed and dangerous” Mac will be but once we see them we can see what can be done. I can imagine selling or trade in can work, but who knows if Linux becomes an option on old systems once they aren’t updated.

There were even ways to run alternate OSes on the old 68k Macs long ago as well so honestly I’m not worried we get a change.

and also for desktops I’m positive they will be very decent when they release them. I’ll likely have one along with my hacks and Linux PCs.



Unfortunately it'll end up like PowerPC Macs if Apple's ARM is proprietary designed and incompatible with other OS but that's very far in the future and I most likely will be buried 6 feet underground by the time Apple comes up with something revolutionary assuming if Apple or the world still exist. :crazy:
 
Single core vs Single core. iPhone 11 Pro Max vs my overclocked i9-9900K.

iPhone 11 Pro Max @ 2.7GHz:
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i9-9900K @ 5GHz:
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I also would have been cool with an AMD Mac as well. Can’t speak to Big Sur as I haven’t tried it. But then again I’m a Unixy guy so I tend to use it lower level at cli and write code. I’m positive it will do that well.

I will use creative stuff here and there as I need it. We’ve already heard and seen apple tools and apps on Arm via wwdc.

anyway to each their own but I’m super excited to see what the do.
 
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this was discussed like 25 pages ago, is not because is an arm computer, is simply because it has i don’t even remeber how many more cpus and cores than the one in 2nd place, yes the fastest pc in the world is arm but if someone build another intel or amd computer with probably the same number of cpu or even more then that one is going to be faster, is like saying that arm is faster than intel or amd simply because that computer has 100 cpu versus the intel or amd computer that only have 1 cpu

people are simply twisting things, i’m not saying you, i’m talking about when this comment first started like 25 pages ago

the arm computer has more cpus and more cores than the one that is in 2nd place, so they win because the number of cores and cpus not because arm is faster or better individually

compared 1 of those arm cpu with one from intel from the 2nd fastest pc and tell me if the arm cpu is faster when is a fair , 1 against 1 comparison

Fastest is the fastest does not matter how they got there. However, above @pastrychef shows a iPhone 11 running 2.6 ghz vs his 5 ghz 9900k with intel bearly edging the single thread. With results like that, I am not sure your RAW Power argument has much to stand on.
 
this was discussed like 25 pages ago, is not because is an arm computer, is simply because it has i don’t even remeber how many more cpus and cores than the one in 2nd place, yes the fastest pc in the world is arm but if someone build another intel or amd computer with probably the same number of cpu or even more then that one is going to be faster, is like saying that arm is faster than intel or amd simply because that computer has 100 cpu versus the intel or amd computer that only have 1 cpu

people are simply twisting things, i’m not saying you, i’m talking about when this comment first started like 25 pages ago

the arm computer has more cpus and more cores than the one that is in 2nd place, so they win because the number of cores and cpus not because arm is faster or better individually

compared 1 of those arm cpu with one from intel from the 2nd fastest pc and tell me if the arm cpu is faster when is a fair , 1 against 1 comparison
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without to go to deep, Cores number and clock speed is not all.

The internal architecture is different. x86 is based on CISC and Arm is based on RISC (Agreed these days the line is a bit blurry)
How many clock cycles do you need to execute an instruction? This is the key components for speed.
Do you need a complex instruction which will take time or multiple simpler one which when added together are faster than the complex one?
The 1st (can someone confirm?) Arm cpu for general public on the Archimedes was terrific. What that computer could do at the time in regard of the so call CPU spec was amazing.

Also Cores number is one thing but to be fast they need to access the memory.
How memory channels do you have and how many available concurrently for all cores...
Of course you have the cache memory. Again how much per Core, etc...
you might find x86 and Arm do not work exactly on the same model for this.

if you want to stay in the x86 stable just compare Intel and AMD cpu architecture . You will find it interesting and instructive.

botton line:
Comparing Arm/x86 Cpu only by number of Core and/or clock speed is a bit pointless. it is a bit like a p..g contest.

Once again this is only my thought..
 
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