Apple Finally Buying AMD CPUs?

[scottkendall]

As I said, the K8, K10, and Bulldozers were failures that for some reason you won't forgive them for but you so easily accept Intel's failings of the last 5 years...

IF in the next 3 years or so AMD is still leading the charge while commanding a significant cost difference then they might be on my upgrade table. For now the easy path forward for me is intel chip.

Razen was the first attempt that AMD made that got my attention since 2006 I am not even sure what K8/10 or bulldozer is I guess they didn't try to hype them. I am in fact glad they are doing something again because Tech advancement has lagged out a bit because of the lack of competition. Does not mean I am going to trust them? Nope at least not yet.

How many of us will be buying Epycs or Xeons?

I used to run Dell Xeon workstations before changing to Mac Pro. I would have built a Xeon Hackintosh but 6 cores was good enough and they seemed much more difficult to Hackintosh since z370 was such a breeze.

If you look at their roadmap, they already had 5nm planned since last year and Zen 3 is on schedule for this year. I don't see any giving up. I see them pushing harder on the accelerator pedal.

Pretty sure their road map in 2005 was not to give up inovating 2006 but they did. In the past a new regime comes in at AMD they start to gain on Intel over a few years then their is a war between the two for 3 or so years then AMD craps out. A decade or so passes and repeate.

 

[Gigamaxx]

So we are only talking about the consumer side we are not talking about the server market? Since we both know that's where you would have to hit intel to really hurt them.

AMD is in the Gaming Consoles, Threadripper AMD their server chips are also nudging into Intels sales. 5 years ago AMD had no server market, now they are expanding and as more people start to use them they are gaining reputation and strengthening their foothold. AMD laptop chips are growing market share largely because Intel gave up and can’t produce enough chips. Intel is rereleasing the Haswell pentium chip to meet demand in the low end because all their passing 14nm chips need to go toward back ordered vendors.
AMD is gaining ground in all aspects of the CPU market in every market.

 

[pastrychef]

Razen was the first attempt that AMD made that got my attention since 2006 I am not even sure what K8/10 or bulldozer is I guess they didn't try to hype them. I am in fact glad they are doing something again because Tech advancement has lagged out a bit because of the lack of competition. Does not mean I am going to trust them? Nope at least not yet.



I used to run Dell Xeon workstations before changing to Mac Pro. I would have built a Xeon Hackintosh but 6 cores was good enough and they seemed much more difficult to Hackintosh since z370 was such a breeze.



Pretty sure their road map in 2005 was not to give up inovating 2006 but they did. In the past a new regime comes in at AMD they start to gain on Intel over a few years then their is a war between the two for 3 or so years then AMD craps out. A decade or so passes and repeate.

Ryzen was when pretty much everyone started taking notice of AMD again. Everything before that were failures.

I meant things like the Xeon Gold 6238L and Epyc 7742, not the lower core count, more conventional Xeons. I had a pair of those low core count Xeons in my old Mac Pro too. They're closer to HEDT than server chips.

Again, they didn't give up, they failed.

 

[scottkendall]

Ryzen was when pretty much everyone started taking notice of AMD again. Everything before that were failures.

I meant things like the Xeon Gold 6238L and Epyc 7742, not the lower core count, more conventional Xeons. I had a pair of those low core count Xeons in my old Mac Pro too. They're closer to HEDT than server chips.

Again, they didn't give up, they failed.

Dude when you announce you are not going to try to complete with intel any more that is giving up. That is what they did in 2006. For some reason you do not understand that it is in-fact possible to give up and then years later resume trying. Yes yes as you have pointed out there first attempts to revive AMD were failures that does not preclude the fact that for the 10 years before that they didn't even try.

 

[scottkendall]

Ryzen was when pretty much everyone started taking notice of AMD again.

Let me ask you this have you ever had an AMD chip that was top of the line though you had a clear path forward and then 6 months later no longer had that path forward?

Now intel in its failing the past 5 years have they left you without a path forward?

 

[pastrychef]

Dude when you announce you are not going to try to complete with intel any more that is giving up. That is what they did in 2006. For some reason you do not understand that it is in-fact possible to give up and then years later resume trying. Yes yes as you have pointed out there first attempts to revive AMD were failures that does not preclude the fact that for the 10 years before that they didn't even try.

I don't remember them saying they weren't going to compete with intel.

I'm feel Intel's hubris over the last few years more difficult to forgive than anything AMD has done.

 

[pastrychef]

Let me ask you this have you ever had an AMD chip that was top of the line though you had a clear path forward and then 6 months later no longer had that path forward?

Now intel in its failing the past 5 years have they left you without a path forward?

No. I never really had a Windows system at home until Macs became Bootcamp capable.

Intel has never given my a path forward. With each new CPU generation, new motherboards were required even though the sockets were the same. What kind of path forward is that?

 

[scottkendall]

No. I never really had a Windows system at home until Macs became Bootcamp capable.

Intel has never given my a path forward. With each new CPU generation, new motherboards were required even though the sockets were the same. What kind of path forward is that?

That wasn't always so and it looks like at least the refreshes are sharing the same board at least for a few generations. But in the Xeon world there has always been some wiggle room.

I don't remember them saying they weren't going to compete with intel.

I'm feel Intel's hubris over the last few years more difficult to forgive than anything AMD has done.

Even in their failures they delivered some improvements and increased core count. Not sure how you quantify 5 years of failures to equate 40 years of giving up, failing off, failing what ever you want to call it. It is going to take a lot more than a few good years to convince me of AMD supremacy.

 

[pastrychef]

Even in their failures they delivered some improvements and increased core count. Not sure how you quantify 5 years of failures to equate 40 years of giving up, failing off, failing what ever you want to call it. It is going to take a lot more than a few good years to convince me of AMD supremacy.

Consumer level Intel CPUs were stuck on 4 cores from Core2Quad until Kaby Lake. That's 2006 to 2017. Over a decade...

The last few years, they were just stuck on 14nm.

It wasn't until AMD forced Intel's hand that they increased cores.

 

[scottkendall]

Consumer level Intel CPUs were stuck on 4 cores from Core2Quad until Kaby Lake. That's 2006 to 2017. Over a decade...

The last few years, they were just stuck on 14nm.

It wasn't until AMD forced Intel's hand that they increased cores.

This is the first customer level CPU I have had in like 15 years. But were they stuck or were they just milking the cow with the core count? Sure they have not been able to keep up with the 14nm as of late. But just think where might we be right now if in 2006 AMD kept their foot on the gas. This is how it has been with every CPU war Intel has been cruising along milking the cow, AMD comes up behind in some exotic sports car and blows Intels doors off forcing intel to step it up. Intel counters with some B17ch get back in your place and AMD drops back into obscurity. Could this new leadership see the errors of the past generations of Leadership at AMD and avoid those pitfalls.... Yes I am absolutely sure they are able to see those pitfalls, I am just not absolutely sure they will avoid them. Conspiracy theory intel controls AMD from the inside and only allows them to succeed when the market calls for a change then dive bombs them into the ground. It is the only explanation for the past performance with each rise and fall.