Apple Unveils Redesigned Mac Pro Desktop and Pro Display XDR at WWDC

[scottkendall]

lol hilarious. I remember when I could afford a Mac Pro. The 1993 Macintosh LC 550 / Performa 550 / Performa 560 was $2081 (in 2018 prices). My first Mac was the PowerMac 6100. I had a G3 and a G5. Now a hackintosh. Id probably opt for a laptop over an iMac and don't really need the computing power. Apple should have recognized its cheese graterness. Macs were expensive but always obtainable. Now they are not. Apple is not the same company and I don't feel that kinship I once did being a creative. Has anyone seen the Steve Jobs movie? Ive watched some of it. Man if its half true, he was a prick. But the innovation (buzz word) died with him.

Mac's start @ $800 and there are lots of options between there and the Mac Pro. Judging by your hack specs you are not the intended customer Apple made the New Mac Pro for. In addition based on everything you listed you never even Owned a Mac Pro since all the models you listed were not based on Intel let alone a Xeon. The new Mac mini looks to easy match your specs, not sure what you are complaining about.

Also I would like to know what Jobs really did for innovation. The smart phone was not created or even thought up by Jobs he took someone else's idea and put some glossy nail polish on it. From what I can tell the last truly innovative thing Jobs did was lock people into iTunes, and turning Mac OS from a Operating system into eco system. Everything else he has done from then till his death looks like he just stood on other people shoulders and put some glossy polish on it.

 

[mcullinan]

Mac's start @ $800 and there are lots of options between there and the Mac Pro. Judging by your hack specs you are not the intended customer Apple made the New Mac Pro for. In addition based on everything you listed you never even Owned a Mac Pro since all the models you listed were not based on Intel let alone a Xeon. The new Mac mini looks to easy match your specs, not sure what you are complaining about.

Also I would like to know what Jobs really did for innovation. The smart phone was not created or even thought up by Jobs he took someone else's idea and put some glossy nail polish on it. From what I can tell the last truly innovative thing Jobs did was lock people into iTunes, and turning Mac OS from a Operating system into eco system. Everything else he has done from then till his death looks like he just stood on other people shoulders and put some glossy polish on it.

I haven't owned the last 2 versions of Mac Pro desktops. I have owned many previous to that. You are obviously a youngin and weren't around when Macs were the only thing Apple made. Apple innovated the iPod. No longer in use but it was pretty huge. The iPhone and visual user interface were created by Apple. Sure the touch screen existed before then, but Apple made it user friendly and accessible. Every phone after modeled Apples. They still do. If your saying all they added was a glossy polish that is hardly the whole picture. Look at Google Glass. New technology, glossy, but it failed. Innovation isn't inventing every piece of a pie and that becomes the innovation. Sometimes its simply a recombination of things that already exist. And whether they do or not, when it becomes part of society like their mobile phone, that's innovation. Other companies attempted similar things but that's not the same as getting it right.

 

[WingedBeast1968]

Apple have lost the plot. I won’t be buying one. Besides, my hack Pro is stonkingly quick anyways.

 

[scottkendall]

I haven't owned the last 2 versions of Mac Pro desktops. I have owned many previous to that. You are obviously a youngin and weren't around when Macs were the only thing Apple made. Apple innovated the iPod. No longer in use but it was pretty huge. The iPhone and visual user interface were created by Apple. Sure the touch screen existed before then, but Apple made it user friendly and accessible. Every phone after modeled Apples. They still do. If your saying all they added was a glossy polish that is hardly the whole picture. Look at Google Glass. New technology, glossy, but it failed. Innovation isn't inventing every piece of a pie and that becomes the innovation. Sometimes its simply a recombination of things that already exist. And whether they do or not, when it becomes part of society like their mobile phone, that's innovation. Other companies attempted similar things but that's not the same as getting it right.

Thanks you totally have proved my point; not much serious innovative has come out of apple long before Jobs died. And your correct I did not own a Mac when that was all apple made that is because they were way way more expensive then my PC was and I was seriously poor. My first PC was a HP mother board I scavenged out of my friends garage with a 386DX chip, a power supply I bought at a computer junk yard for like $25 and a card board box, I think it had a Dimond MM video card, and some kind of onboard sound.

Just because you look good and everyone wants to look good like you does not make you innovative. it makes you Trendy! The same goes for smart phones becoming part of society they were on they're way already long before the iPhone. But no one knows if jobs really came up with the idea of the iPhone. I would guess some undergraduate from MIT brought Jobs the idea and he just signed off on it. In reality The iPhone was just an iPod photo with a Phone modem added not really innovative there... Google glasses were a failure before they even got released google hushed those under the rug as faster as Microsoft ditched windows 8.

But just the same here are two:

Face ID scanner is/was Innovative

Apple Watch is innovative - the new one more so than ever since it can detect heart attacks, I would say that it will be revolutionary and saving heart patients.

 

[pastrychef]

The brilliance of Apple is its ability to make tech approachable to everyone.

Apple didn't invent the MP3 player. It just made one that even grandma could use.
Apple didn't invent the smartphone, but, again, it made one that even my mom loves.
Let's not forget that Apple also put Unix in the hands of millions.

Apple product designs are copied so often by everyone else for a reason. Even when Macs were beige, I felt they were better designed than anything the other guys had to offer. They should not knocked for making aesthetically pleasing hardware.

 

[scottkendall]

The brilliance of Apple is its ability to make tech approachable to everyone.

Apple didn't invent the MP3 player. It just made one that even grandma could use.
Apple didn't invent the smartphone, but, again, it made one that even my mom loves.
Let's not forget that Apple also put Unix in the hands of millions.

Apple product designs are copied so often by everyone else for a reason. Even when Macs were beige, I felt they were better designed than anything the other guys had to offer. They should not knocked for making aesthetically pleasing hardware.

I am not knocking them for being aesthetically pleasing. I am saying that being aesthetically pleasing does not make you innovative. Using a Mac today is a Trendy thing, I use one because of the integration with my iPhone that's it. For me the last thing I truly saw as innovative under job's command was his foresight on OS being a ecosystem that you would want to lock users into. Job's knew apple lost the OS war long long ago and they were not an OS company. Job's also knew that hardware was not where they should be aiming either. It was streaming music, movies, email, messaging, web browsing, all digital media interchangeable from your handheld device to your computer should all behave as a cohesive unit. That was innovative that was revolutionary. Everything since has just been the realization of the ecosystem....

 

[pastrychef]

I am not knocking them for being aesthetically pleasing. I am saying that being aesthetically pleasing does not make you innovative. Using a Mac today is a Trendy thing, I use one because of the integration with my iPhone that's it. For me the last thing I truly saw as innovative under job's command was his foresight on OS being a ecosystem that you would want to lock users into. Job's knew apple lost the OS war long long ago and they were not an OS company. Job's also knew that hardware was not where they should be aiming either. It was streaming music, movies, email, messaging, web browsing, all digital media interchangeable from your handheld device to your computer should all behave as a cohesive unit. That was innovative that was revolutionary. Everything since has just been the realization of the ecosystem....

Sure, there are those wool hat in the middle of summer guys... But there are also guys like me who have been using Macs since the Sculley days. I think I've purchased well over a dozen Macs in my lifetime but have never purchased a PC new. I happily plunked down over $2000 for a Mac but refused to pay $500 for a PC.

It's not my fault those wool hat guys have suddenly found what I've been using for decades trendy.

Innovation for the sake of innovation is not necessarily a good thing. A great example of that is the MacPro6,1. Often times, it's equally as important to say no, let's not release this. In it's history, Apple has had several "game changers". Macs, iPod, iPhone, and possibly Apple Watch. How many such game changers have the other guys had? Pocket PC? Galaxy Fold? The Zune?

I don't know which undergraduate is responsible for the iPhone but from the stories I read, it was Steve Jobs' unrelenting pressure on the iPhone team that pushed them to create such a fantastic product. There's no doubt to me that what Tim Cook constantly repeats now about creating "insanely great products" was drilled in to him by Jobs. When I look at my iPhone, all I see and feel is quality.

 

[scottkendall]

Sure, there are those wool hat in the middle of summer guys... But there are also guys like me who have been using Macs since the Sculley days. I think I've purchased well over a dozen Macs in my lifetime but have never purchased a PC new. I happily plunked down over $2000 for a Mac but refused to pay $500 for a PC.

It's not my fault those wool hat guys have suddenly found what I've been using for decades trendy.

Innovation for the sake of innovation is not necessarily a good thing. A great example of that is the MacPro6,1. Often times, it's equally as important to say no, let's not release this. In it's history, Apple has had several "game changers". Macs, iPod, iPhone, and possibly Apple Watch. How many such game changers have the other guys had? Pocket PC? Galaxy Fold? The Zune?

I don't know which undergraduate is responsible for the iPhone but from the stories I read, it was Steve Jobs' unrelenting pressure on the iPhone team that pushed them to create such a fantastic product. There's no doubt to me that what Tim Cook constantly repeats now about creating "insanely great products" was drilled in to him by Jobs. When I look at my iPhone, all I see and feel is quality.

LOL your computer right now that your using is a new PC my friend albeit you put Mac OS on it. Just because it did not come in a case from Dell, HP, Samsung, Asus, or otherwise does not make it any less a PC. To insulate that the other guys as you put them have not came up with game changing tech that would be naive. Yes apple has made a product that is easier for everyone, but I never felt windows or android was hard to use. And after I realized that windows ran awesome on good hardware I never had windows issues. Android on the other hand I find to be trash beta software. That does not change the fact that Samsung makes a fine polished phone, that might actually run IOS better than the iPhone if you could get it to run. But once once again making a fantastic high end polished product does not make you innovative. And jobs beating people in the head till they produced what he wanted does not mean it was his idea, it just means he was a good slave driver!

 

[izo1]

I am not knocking them for being aesthetically pleasing. I am saying that being aesthetically pleasing does not make you innovative. Using a Mac today is a Trendy thing, I use one because of the integration with my iPhone that's it. For me the last thing I truly saw as innovative under job's command was his foresight on OS being a ecosystem that you would want to lock users into. Job's knew apple lost the OS war long long ago and they were not an OS company. Job's also knew that hardware was not where they should be aiming either. It was streaming music, movies, email, messaging, web browsing, all digital media interchangeable from your handheld device to your computer should all behave as a cohesive unit. That was innovative that was revolutionary. Everything since has just been the realization of the ecosystem....

A lot of people still fail to see what Apple’s intentions have been since it’s inception, especially Steve Jobs’ introduction of the original Mac in 1984.

And that’s ok. I’ve read comments like this since the 90s even when SJ came back. It’s never stopped.

It’s usually by people who don’t understand what or how powerful utilitarian design is and can be.

And it has nothing to do with being “elitist” etc.

Apple has superior font rendering and built in font tools. Better GUI, less latency in its sound drivers and so on.

First to include FireWire. FCP revolutionized the post production industry. Etc etc.

I could go on for ages but if people fail to see that everything is interconnected, I can’t really help people see here.

Sure PCs have closed the gaps a bit but it’s still not there. There’s also a factor of nostalgia for many Mac users.

Macs for me have always been tools to get things done. While I’ve had PCs, they were like toys to me and I spent more time messing with it than doing actual work.

I hated Apple in the 90s and early 2000s too, but always watched their keynotes out of curiosity. Always thought they had a superiority complex. I got a G3 and the rest is history. The fact that things were much more simpler was fantastic and I could get actual work done. Then studying design, obviously it wouldn’t make sense to use a PC anyhow.

Anyway this subject matter is tired and boring. Macs are not going to beat out PCs in market cap. But value wise for aspiring artists and professionals? They’ve beat PCs for the last 20 years.

You’re not going to “get it” unless you’re a professional or an aspiring artist. Or someone who sees computers as a utility and a luxury.

Go stick with PCs. No one is forcing your hand here. Enjoy removing candy crush and telemetry from Windows 10.

 

[pastrychef]

LOL your computer right now that your using is a new PC my friend albeit you put Mac OS on it. Just because it did not come in a case from Dell, HP, Samsung, Asus, or otherwise does not make it any less a PC. To insulate that the other guys as you put them have not came up with game changing tech that would be naive. Yes apple has made a product that is easier for everyone, but I never felt windows or android was hard to use. And after I realized that windows ran awesome on good hardware I never had windows issues. Android on the other hand I find to be trash beta software. That does not change the fact that Samsung makes a fine polished phone, that might actually run IOS better than the iPhone if you could get it to run. But once once again making a fantastic high end polished product does not make you innovative. And jobs beating people in the head till they produced what he wanted does not mean it was his idea.

By PC, I meant pre-built system such as those from Dell or HP.

Remember that Windows stole a lot from Macintosh and Android wholesale ripped off iOS.

I find Samsung and quality in the same sentence an oxymoron.

Again, how many game changers have companies like Samsung, Microsoft, Dell, or HP released?