End Of MacOS on Intel?

[Ortofon]

can someone clarify to my (noob) self what would be the problem if they change to arm?
is the cpu architecture non-hackintoshable? or is it the problem that you probably just cant buy an arm cpu?

as someone who has no clue whats going on in a cpu, i´m just questioning: if we (or you geniuses outthere) can hackintosh intel and, in a way, amd cpu´s - someone will find a way to hack arm,or no?

 

[trs96]

The Apple T2 coprocessor is what will be the biggest obstacle to overcome. Those are already in some desktop Macs and Macbooks. It won't be easy to emulate that the way we can emulate SMC currently with FakeSMC kext. So if Apple decides that there is no way to boot a Mac without it enabled that makes things quite difficult. Kind of like Secure Boot on a PC that wouldn't have a way to be turned off. Anyway we'll cross these bridges when we get to them. There are still Macs like the latest 2019 iMacs that don't have T2 chips. Apple should support those for a minimum of five years. The Hackintosh you build new today should be usable for a good amount of time.

 

[Ortofon]

thanks for clarification!

i´m pretty sure, some of you smart guys out there will find a way until my machine needs to be replaced

 

[Nodarkthings]

it's still not fair or advisable to do that to your customers if you want them to buy your products

In all my years as a Mac user, I had too many occasions to discover that Apple doesn't care much about their old clients.
From a business point of view they are even unfortunately right as long as they sell more new products (and in the present days, meaning "more iPhones"...) than the year before.
Their thinking is: "who cares about those old chums cursing us because we dropped ADB, PowerPC, 32 bits, etc.?"
They want their products to have the latest available technology, no matter what...
And if you don't care about money, that's great.
Since my first Mac, back in 1994, things have changed, not always for the best and that's precisely why I switched to Hackintosh, about 6 years ago.
Even when I was on real Macs, I've always been a few versions back (at least after MacOS 10 — I've actually waited until 10.3.9 to abandon my good old MacOS 9).
Currently, I've switched to 10.11 only recently after having a hard time trying to install 10.13.6 on my Z68 MoBo and from all that I can read in the forums, it's getting harder and harder to install a new version and have everything working "OOB" — only USB3 seems a huge issue if you're a noob (that's partly why I decided for 10.11 where my USB3 ports still partially work).
So, I'm wondering if there will be a point where installing MacOS on a non-Apple machine won't be feasible at all except by uber geeks...
The switch to a new processor might be one of those steps that make things so complicated that people like me might switch to Windows or Linux if they have to change everything.
Wait and see.

 

[Gigamaxx]

In all my years as a Mac user, I had too many occasions to discover that Apple doesn't care much about their old clients.
From a business point of view they are even unfortunately right as long as they sell more new products (and in the present days, meaning "more iPhones"...) than the year before.
Their thinking is: "who cares about those old chums cursing us because we dropped ADB, PowerPC, 32 bits, etc.?"
They want their products to have the latest available technology, no matter what...
And if you don't care about money, that's great.
Since my first Mac, back in 1994, things have changed, not always for the best and that's precisely why I switched to Hackintosh, about 6 years ago.
Even when I was on real Macs, I've always been a few versions back (at least after MacOS 10 — I've actually waited until 10.3.9 to abandon my good old MacOS 9).
Currently, I've switched to 10.11 only recently after having a hard time trying to install 10.13.6 on my Z68 MoBo and from all that I can read in the forums, it's getting harder and harder to install a new version and have everything working "OOB" — only USB3 seems a huge issue if you're a noob (that's partly why I decided for 10.11 where my USB3 ports still partially work).
So, I'm wondering if there will be a point where installing MacOS on a non-Apple machine won't be feasible at all except by uber geeks...
The switch to a new processor might be one of those steps that make things so complicated that people like me might switch to Windows or Linux if they have to change everything.
Wait and see.

My daily work machine is a HP 640 G1 Haswell i5. Ebay $150 add a WiFi card and SSD $200 total and it plows through excell, and word (both free) and blows away my Windows 10 Install. It’s a dual boot and I started with windows but after my excell and word (office365) went whacko I switched to the Hack drive and found excel and word and it is so much easier to deal with. I don’t have to log in every time I open excell files or emails etc.. I’m using Mojave on the Haswell and it’s workong great. It’s the same config I had for High Sierra. You can make a recent CPU build work well and it will work for many years and survive updates.
You can find a nice HP or Dell PC with a Haswell or Skylake cpu for relatively low prices ($100-200) add a graphics card a d you’re good to go for several years.

 

[trs96]

The New Mac Pro 2019 will have Xeon W Processors up to 28 cores ! Maybe it's not the end of macOS on Intel after all ! If Intel gets the new Ice Lake 10 nm CPUs to market early next year we'll see a Macbook Pro refresh with the newer low power consumption CPUs that help the MBP run a lot cooler and use less battery power. Just what Apple wants. Intel knows that Apple could drop them in a minute, this is why Intel is trying harder to not lose them as a customer, they can't afford to.

Just because people like Ming Chi Kuo make ARM transition predictions for 2020 doesn't mean Apple has to do anything. As stated previously, these predictions have happened every year since 2012. All Macs still have Intel chips. The primary advantage of keeping Macs using Intel chips is that everything else like the Adobe suite, Paralells and Windows already work seamlessly. That is really important to many people that want to buy a Mac. If they were to lose those options, it makes the choice of buying a new MBP or iMac a lot more difficult. Look at how many people in this community run both Windows and macOS in a dual boot setup.

Project catalyst was announced at WWDC 2019. So if you can run iOS apps on macOS there is really no reason you have to merge the two together. Remember last years WWDC ? Craig F. said that they had no plans of doing this merge of iOS and macOS as has been frequently rumored on the internet. Here's some info about "Catalyst."

It’s Apple’s effort to make its apps universal across iOS and MacOS. In other words, it could make it far simpler for developers to translate their apps across iPhone, iPad, or Mac. The app would naturally sync as you move between devices and share all the same information, so you can continue its use.

In the past, MacOS and iOS apps were developed with different tools and different goals. Catalyst seeks to converge development into a single effort – one method that will produce an app that can work on any Apple device without needing significant changes. That means part of Catalyst is providing third-party developers with a new Xcode development kit that will allow them to create these universal apps.

What will likely happen is that Apple will phase out the Macbook (not the Pro version) and replace it with the iPad Pro and iPad OS. That way they don't have to convert the Macbook to ARM chips and keep it as a part of their Mac lineup. They'll simply discontinue it. See the video. I think that most people prefer the Air 13" models over the Macbook anyway.

 

[tabarus]

I think that most people prefer

I wonder why anyone at all would decide to buy a recent Apple Notebook at all:

"If all of you stopped buying this, if every single one of you stopped spending money on those products... I gotta go find a new job and I have 12/13 employees here that I have to find something else to do with. And I'm still telling you: 'buy something else!'."

 

[trs96]

I wonder why anyone at all would decide to buy a recent Apple Notebook

Louis is just a little bit biased against anything Apple makes from the few videos I've seen. He's a very angry and aggressive New Yawker. View with more than a few grains of salt. I do agree that some of the 2012-14 models are the best way to go. I upgrade the 2012's to an SSD for many people all the time and they are still rock solid for running Mojave and they can also run Catalina without jumping through hoops.

 

[pastrychef]

I wonder why anyone at all would decide to buy a recent Apple Notebook at all:

I don't watch anything from that guy. He's a hater who looks for reasons to bash Apple and Mac users.

 

[pastrychef]

Here's something that may interest Mac users:

macOS Security Will Never Stop Us From Running Software of Our Choice - The Mac Observer

There is an emerging notion that as macOS security gets better, it will make the use of a Mac more burdensome. This is false.

www.macobserver.com