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Crashackintoss

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I'd like to do a Multi-boot system with OS X Mavericks, Linux Mint Debian 201413 64-bit Mate, and Windows 7 or 8.1. Is this possible and how would I do it? Is there a particular order to install Windows and Linux after OS Mavericks? Mind you I own A real Mid 2012 Mac Pro, Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 OEM, Linux Mint Debian 201413 64-bit Mate because its open source obviously, and I have a Windows 8.1 Pro Full Version on the way that I ordered from Amazon.
 
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Crashackintoss said:
I'd like to do a Multi-boot system with OS X Mavericks, Linux Mint Debian 201413 64-bit Mate, and Windows 7 or 8.1. Is this possible and how would I do it? Is there a particular order to install Windows and Linux after OS Mavericks? Mind you I own A real Mid 2012 Mac Pro, Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 OEM, Linux Mint Debian 201413 64-bit Mate because its open source obviously, and I have a Windows 8.1 Pro Full Version on the way that I ordered from Amazon.
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It is possible. Do you plan separate drives, all on one drive, or some type of split?
Do you plan installing legacy mode and using Chimera/Chameleon for boot loader or installing UEFI and using Clover?
 
Going Bald said:
It is possible. Do you plan separate drives, all on one drive, or some type of split?
Do you plan installing legacy mode and using Chimera/Chameleon for boot loader or installing UEFI and using Clover?
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I don't know because I was under the impression that I had to use Chimera/Chameleon for a boot loader for it to work. How would I use legacy mode or install UEFI and use Clover? I plan on installing all the OS's to the same drive or Raid Partition if possible because I've heard that there are issues with getting Raid to work. I know there are on my Mid 2012 Mac Pro because bootcamp does support Raid Partitions.
 
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Crashackintoss said:
I don't know because I was under the impression that I had to use Chimera/Chameleon for a boot loader for it to work. How would I use legacy mode or install UEFI and use Clover? I plan on installing all the OS's to the same drive or Raid Partition if possible because I've heard that there are issues with getting Raid to work. I know there are on my Mid 2012 Mac Pro because bootcamp does support Raid Partitions.
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On PC-Macs you can forget the RAID partitions with 3 different OSs involved.
You can install on separate drives and mix-n-match Legacy and UEFI, but any OS installed UEFI will force you to use Clover as Chimera/Chameleon can't boot a UEFI install.
You can either install on a single drive all OSs installed Legacy or all installed UEFI - there is no middle ground, it is either one or the other. Clover is perfectly happy booting Linux distros. If you want to go UEFI and can wait a while, I am in the process or writing a guide for UEFI with Clover I hope to post soon.

How large is the drive you plan to use for your install?
 
Going Bald said:
On PC-Macs you can forget the RAID partitions with 3 different OSs involved.
You can install on separate drives and mix-n-match Legacy and UEFI, but any OS installed UEFI will force you to use Clover as Chimera/Chameleon can't boot a UEFI install.
You can either install on a single drive all OSs installed Legacy or all installed UEFI - there is no middle ground, it is either one or the other. Clover is perfectly happy booting Linux distros. If you want to go UEFI and can wait a while, I am in the process or writing a guide for UEFI with Clover I hope to post soon.

How large is the drive you plan to use for your install?
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How am I going to install on separate drives with a RAID configuration? I plan to use one the Marvell RAID controller on my Gigabyte X79 UP4 for the OS's and the Intel RAID controller for the programs that way if the OS's get wiped out I won't have to reinstall my programs. I will be using Seagate 2 TB SSHD's in sets of 2 for each RAID controller. Then Maybe changing the RAID controller for the drives running the programs to an Areca RAID card with up to 8 drives in RAID 60 down the road. For now though both sets of RAID configs with use two 2 TB drives though and maybe the intel will have up to four 2 TB, since it has four SATA ports and supports RAID 5 and 10.
 
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Dual 2011 Ivy Bridge-E
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GA-X79-UP4 |  Xeon E5-1620 v2 |  GeForce GTX 760
HTPC 2011 Haswell-E
GA-X79S-UP5-WIFI |  Xeon E5-1620 v2 |  GeForce GTX 760
Crashackintoss said:
How am I going to install on separate drives with a RAID configuration? I plan to use one the Marvell RAID controller on my Gigabyte X79 UP4 for the OS's and the Intel RAID controller for the programs that way if the OS's get wiped out I won't have to reinstall my programs. I will be using Seagate 2 TB SSHD's in sets of 2 for each RAID controller. Then Maybe changing the RAID controller for the drives running the programs to an Areca RAID card with up to 8 drives in RAID 60 down the road. For now though both sets of RAID configs with use two 2 TB drives though and maybe the intel will have up to four 2 TB, since it has four SATA ports and supports RAID 5 and 10.
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Problem is that Windows will not recognize an OS X RAID as a valid array to install on. OS X will not install on a Windows RAID. You could set the Marvell ports to BIOS RAID and Windows will happily install there, and the X79 chip driven SATA ports set to AHCI and set up a RAID array with OS X disk utility for OS X and OS X will install there happily (or vice versa). But OS X will only see an unrelated set of drives on the Marvell ports and Windows will only see an unrelated set of drives on the X79 driven SATA ports.
Only way I know of for both systems to see a RAID is with a hardware RAID PCIe card setup or on a NAS with its own RAID software.
 
Going Bald said:
Problem is that Windows will not recognize an OS X RAID as a valid array to install on. OS X will not install on a Windows RAID. You could set the Marvell ports to BIOS RAID and Windows will happily install there, and the X79 chip driven SATA ports set to AHCI and set up a RAID array with OS X disk utility for OS X and OS X will install there happily (or vice versa). But OS X will only see an unrelated set of drives on the Marvell ports and Windows will only see an unrelated set of drives on the X79 driven SATA ports.
Only way I know of for both systems to see a RAID is with a hardware RAID PCIe card setup or on a NAS with its own RAID software.
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What your saying is that Windows will not recognize an OS X RAID array and OS X will not recognize a Windows Array. However, I can set up a RAID array with the Marvell and Windows will install there. Then setup a RAID Array on the Intel X79 driven SATA 3.0 ports and install OS X there. What about Linux Mint though. Where would I install Linux Mint Debian? Also what Filesystem would I use for the RAID array partitions with the programs on it and how would each operating system see the drives and be able to read and write to them?
 
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Dual 2011 Ivy Bridge-E
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HTPC 2011 Haswell-E
GA-X79S-UP5-WIFI |  Xeon E5-1620 v2 |  GeForce GTX 760
Crashackintoss said:
What your saying is that Windows will not recognize an OS X RAID array and OS X will not recognize a Windows Array. However, I can set up a RAID array with the Marvell and Windows will install there. Then setup a RAID Array on the Intel X79 driven SATA 3.0 ports and install OS X there. What about Linux Mint though. Where would I install Linux Mint Debian? Also what Filesystem would I use for the RAID array partitions with the programs on it and how would each operating system see the drives and be able to read and write to them?
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I do not understand this fascination with RAID. Just why do you want to RAID your system drives?
How much research time have you spent in learning how RAID works and where to use what type of RAID, be it RAID 0, 1, 5, 10 or other?
The only way OS X and Windows can both read and write to a RAID is a hardware card with both windows and OS X drivers/support. Without that, all they see is a series of unwritable/unreadable/uninitialized hard drives. Both OSs will complain about the drives on boot and want to initialize and format the other OSs drives.
I do not use RAID for a boot drive. Period. Granted, RAID0 is fast, but it is too unstable and too unforgiving of read/record errors and if you lose a single drive you lose the whole thing. It still can't saturate SATA II with platter drives.
Recommend you use a SATA III 6G/s SSD for each OS, which is just as fast as, or faster than, a platter RAID.
Get a PCIe RAID card and RAID your platter drives RAID 10 and format them HFS+ for storage.
Use 3rd party software like Paragon for Windows to allow Win to read/write to the RAID array.

A PCIe RAID card has the added advantage of speed acces through the PCIe bus.

Put the Linux SSD and storage HDD on the Marvell SATA ports.

If you want really fast, get an OCZ Revo 350 for each OS - http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/ocz_revodrive_350_pcie_ssd_review,1.html


And put the platter drives on the SATA ports for storage. I would not bother RAIDing the platter drives.
 
Going Bald said:
I do not understand this fascination with RAID. Just why do you want to RAID your system drives?
How much research time have you spent in learning how RAID works and where to use what type of RAID, be it RAID 0, 1, 5, 10 or other?
The only way OS X and Windows can both read and write to a RAID is a hardware card with both windows and OS X drivers/support. Without that, all they see is a series of unwritable/unreadable/uninitialized hard drives. Both OSs will complain about the drives on boot and want to initialize and format the other OSs drives.
I do not use RAID for a boot drive. Period. Granted, RAID0 is fast, but it is too unstable and too unforgiving of read/record errors and if you lose a single drive you lose the whole thing. It still can't saturate SATA II with platter drives.
Recommend you use a SATA III 6G/s SSD for each OS, which is just as fast as, or faster than, a platter RAID.
Get a PCIe RAID card and RAID your platter drives RAID 10 and format them HFS+ for storage.
Use 3rd party software like Paragon for Windows to allow Win to read/write to the RAID array.

A PCIe RAID card has the added advantage of speed acces through the PCIe bus.

Put the Linux SSD and storage HDD on the Marvell SATA ports.

If you want really fast, get an OCZ Revo 350 for each OS - http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/ocz_revodrive_350_pcie_ssd_review,1.html


And put the platter drives on the SATA ports for storage. I would not bother RAIDing the platter drives.
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I do not claim to be an expert on RAID, but I know enough from studying Computer Network Administration, which I have at least an Associates in. I know these Operating System don't want to play nice with each other and read each others filesystems, which is the reasons I posted this thread. Thank you for answering my question though and now I know I should install the boot OS's to a single drive instead of a RAID set or array. I knew Mac OS X couldn't install Windows in bootcamp with a RAID partition and obviously the same would be true for Windows because on a Mac system OS X has to be installed first if I'm not mistaken and then Windows. I'm not entirely sure were this leaves Linux though, but I"m guessing you install it last from my experience of installing Windows after Mac OS X. If I'm wrong correct me. Considering what your saying I will install the OS's to a single boot drive without a RAID set, array, or partition and eventually make it an SSD, but for now I want to make it an SSHD or standard HD because I need space to work with files temporarily before transporting them to my external hard drive. Considering I was using almost 500 GB just for Windows and the files I was working on with a Hybrid SSD seagate momentus XT, which I had in raid 1. If you have any further suggestions please feel free to share.
 
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Other |  Xeon E5 1650 v2 |  GeForce GTX 760
Dual 2011 Ivy Bridge-E
Other |  Xeon E5-2620 |  Quadro K4000
HTPC 2011 Ivy Bridge-E
GA-X79-UP4 |  Xeon E5-1620 v2 |  GeForce GTX 760
HTPC 2011 Haswell-E
GA-X79S-UP5-WIFI |  Xeon E5-1620 v2 |  GeForce GTX 760
Crashackintoss said:
I do not claim to be an expert on RAID, but I know enough from studying Computer Network Administration, which I have at least an Associates in. I know these Operating System don't want to play nice with each other and read each others filesystems, which is the reasons I posted this thread. Thank you for answering my question though and now I know I should install the boot OS's to a single drive instead of a RAID set or array. I knew Mac OS X couldn't install Windows in bootcamp with a RAID partition and obviously the same would be true for Windows because on a Mac system OS X has to be installed first if I'm not mistaken and then Windows. I'm not entirely sure were this leaves Linux though, but I"m guessing you install it last from my experience of installing Windows after Mac OS X. If I'm wrong correct me. Considering what your saying I will install the OS's to a single boot drive without a RAID set, array, or partition and eventually make it an SSD, but for now I want to make it an SSHD or standard HD because I need space to work with files temporarily before transporting them to my external hard drive. Considering I was using almost 500 GB just for Windows and the files I was working on with a Hybrid SSD seagate momentus XT, which I had in raid 1. If you have any further suggestions please feel free to share.
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For a boot drive, I would definitely recommend the new Samsung 850 Pro from the reviews I have seen - it will be available 7/21 at Newegg.

Way back in 10.6 Snow Leopard days I wrote a guide - http://www.tonymacx86.com/snow-leop...multibooting-novice-updated-3-12-see-log.html
You can still use the guide if you substitute UniBeast for iBoot+retail DVD in the OS X install phase. Or you could follow http://www.tonymacx86.com/multi-booting/96000-guide-dual-booting-mountain-lion-windows-8-a.html and then install Linux. Be very careful installing Linux. Make absolutely sure Grub2 gets installed either to the root ( / ) or to /boot if you create that partition. If you let it install to the HDD MBR you will need to either purge grub2 and install it correctly or start all over.

Consider moving your OSX Users and your Windows Users to a separate drive from the boot drive, and keeping all your files off of the boot drive, so if you have to re-install you do not lose anything.
 
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