First, thanks for all your replies !! ; )
COOLER
OH MY GOOOOD !!!! This thing was made for an airplane, not for a computer !!!
Ok.... I'll take one.... but.... motherboards never broke with that anvil ??! ; D
I saw a video about
the install of the NH-D14.
Do I have to use the provided Noctua thermal paste,
or I better take another paste like liquid ultra, or MX4, or PK1, or... ?
And I don't have to paste the entire CPU, but just the center ???
RAM
"StickyS", you told me that I'd better take Vengeance Low Profile
or Gskill RipJaws, but none or them are CL9 (or less) and quad channel !
So what is the most important, CL or Quad channel ?
Can you directly tell me what RAM will fit the best for my need ?
(and if possible less or more at the same price, 160€/220$)
DRIVES
As "DBP" said, and Gigabyte confirm it today, there's only 6 SATA ports + 1 mSATA + 1 eSATA.
So, 6 HDD + 1 SSD, or 5 HDD + 1 SSD + 1 bluray burner.
And thanks for the link, I knew about the Seagate 2400 hours, but not about the freeze issue.... annoying !!
To be honest, I don't really know what drive I'd better take.
My 4K video files are really huge... only 5 hours by Tb !
And while the "base" read rates are only 30MB/s, it seems that
all editing softwares
need to read more than only one frame at time for this kind of video files...
so that's mean you need to have a drive capable to read at least at 200MB/s for only one stream !!
And, we often have at least 2 or 3 stream in same time, so it's mean to work nicely we need a good 600MB/s... for a 30MB/s file !
The second point is, for safety reason, it's better to have at least 2 copy of the same video file.
2 physical copy, in 2 different drives (or 2 different RAID).
The third (and funny) last point is I don't have a lot of money, and I can't buy an external bay for the moment.
So... if I can only have 7 disk in my computer, minus 1 SSD for the OS, minus 1 drive for temp and render files, I only have 5 drives.
And if I divide by 2 those drives for safety copy, I only have 2 and half drives for my video files... and one alone for... I don't know !!! ; )
As you understand, I had to chose the faster and bigger drives I could afford.
The Barracuda 3Tb at 190MB/s and only 150$ looks really interesting,
and the Deskstar 4Tb at 160MB/s while bigger are slower and cost 300$ for only 1Tb more
(but seems more "resistant" than the 2400 hours of the Seagate).
Well... to summarize, I can have to work :
- 2x Barracuda 3Tb = 6Tb = 30 hours of video at 190MB/s
- 2x Deskstar 4Tb = 8Tb = 40 hours of video at 160MB/s
- 1x RAID of Barracuda = 3Tb = 15 hours at 380MB/s
- 1x RAID of Deskstar = 4Tb = 20 hours at 320MB/s
Or maybe, 2 RAID with 4 drives for work (30/40 hours at 320/380MBs),
and 2 drives alone for backup of the 2 RAID, and 1 external USB3/mSATA for temp files ?
What's your point ? What's the best drives between Seagate Barracuda and Deskstar 7K4000 ?
Do I really need to buy one RAID controller card, or can it be only a RAID software ?
And those of you using R3D video files, what's the speed rate of your system ?
GRAPHIC CARD
I chose the
EVGA Classified because it's a card which expels the hot air outside of the tower,
and also because it seems to be a great graphic card ! (even if I don't want to overclock it more.)
But... (there's always a but !!) this card is in short supply, and EVGA told me that they don't know
when they will produce new round of it. Do you think I'd better wait, or (if there will not be a lot of difference)
take a non OC card like the regular
EVGA GTX680 (or the slight OC
EVGA FTW),
or even another brand like the
Gigabyte,
Asus,
Gainward,
Zotac,
Inno3D, etc ?
It's not a question of money because all this cards cost roughly the same price, but it's mostly about capability, noise and heat.
PSU
I made a calculation of my energy needs on the
Corsair "Power Supply Finder"
and it said I only need 650W PSU with all my disk...
but is a Blackmagic Decklink output video card is considered as a second graphic card ?
THE REST... (sorry, it's gonna be long !!)
"DBP", you can laugh at my sentence, and I agree with you, because it's a silly sentence !!
What I meant is I need a workstation capable of rendering video with all CPU at full load,
during hours and maybe few days for feature films, without the need to live next to a fire station ! ; )
In fact - and that's why I use sentence like this - the problem with my work (camera, computer, etc),
is that the stuff used is always really specific, and each time I ask a question,
only few people have the precise and good information to help me.
And the other people (which are really nice of course to try to help me on many forums)
often advise me from their own point of view... gamers... tech lovers....
"nobody need 4Gb for a graphic card", or
"you'd better overclock your GPU",
or
"don't worry there's lot of freeware to fix this bug later".
So I have to check every solution people kindly submit to me, to see which one fit the best
and let my system stable even if it's not the faster or the most powerful.
Because 4K files and the way new cinema camera encode them
are absolutely not the same than regular H264 video everybody use.
That's why I often says I can't use a half-stable solution, because when I start a work
I can't upgrade OS/softwares for weeks, or make physical change inside the computer...
when the race is started, I can't change my engine until the end ! ; )
Few years ago (and still now) I was a "handyman", always tweaking my stuff,
but now I realize I spent more time working on my gear than working on my pictures ! ; D
"Qwerty123", whoooo tooold yoooou I use a RED camera ????!! ; D
Yes, you're right, I work with RED footage, and that's why, "Kundica", I won't take a 6-cores.
The RED files, can't be read at full rez, by any computer in this world
even with those super computer made for the Pentagon !! Everything is said ! ; D
More seriously, as you said, to read those 4K files in real time, you absolutely need a
RED Rocket card at 5000$.
I had plenty of private conversations with workstation suppliers (so unfortunately, no links to gave you
to prove my words) and they all said none of their many-cores workstation with hundreds Gb of RAM
are able to playback R3D more than - and hardly ! - 1/2 rez without RED Rocket...
So at the end, no matter if you use an i7, or a 12-core XEON, because there will not have a lot
of difference with my old Mac Mini Core2duo / 2Gb RAM, which can read R3D at 1/8 with Premiere CS5 !!!
That's why (and also because I'm not rich !) I decided to make a strong but "small" editing computer for no more 2000€/2500$,
and later, in the coming years, and after few works, to spend more money in a huge HP or Mac Pro 16-core (or more) with RED Rocket,
and use this Hackintosh workstation as a "render farm", for encoding and burning bluray, DVD, web.
(That's why I will buy now an internal bluray burner, even if I don't use it for the moment)
But for now, the "magic" trick I will do to work with those footage in good quality, is just to use a 1080p timeline in CS6 Premiere,
and put the 5K file inside, and let the engine of Premiere CS6 render in realtime the "down-scalling" of this timeline through the graphic card.
That's why I'll use the GTX680, because now it's fully working with CS6, and the creator of the PPBM6.com benchmark agreed it will be better
than using the previous GTX580 for this software. And the 4Gb let me to have more "room" for the huge 4000x3000 pixels size of each frame.
The most important for me is to be able to work in realtime, like if it was DV footage.
And at the end of the editing session, I will convert my 1080p timeline in 4K
to have the final timeline file for the full rendering with the original 4K footage.
And about the final transcoding, of course with an i7, the rendering time will be longer, but in this case, I'll have no choice...
I know I'll have lots of time to smoke cigarettes and drink coffees during the transcoding,
but at least I won't pull my hair because of an horrible quality during the editing session !
That's why, I preferred the GPU and thunderbolt rather than the CPU.
That's also why I need a LGA1155 Socket motherboard because as I know, there is no thunderbolt in other type of motherboard.
I'll use the thunderbolt to output the REC709 video signal in realtime from the 1080p timeline of Premiere
through the
Blackmagic Ultrastudio Mini Monitor, and it will allow me to do color correction in realtime.
I don't know about Blackmagic Resolve, but I think it will be "almost" in realtime too.
And about Nuke and Maya..... well..... hmmmm..... I have absolutely no idea !!! ; )
I really believe the thunderbolt will be the next major step for film, with external card, output monitor, and drives.
And while I anticipated to maybe using one day a Decklink 4K internal card, I prefer waiting the next generation
of external thunderbolt output card, because if it's possible to buy only one output card for all computer and laptop, it will be great !
Sorry for my long speech, but I prefer to say everything now, because if you have better solutions,
or if I say some bull****s, at least, you can tell it to me before I'll order all my gear !! ; )
Thanks again for your great help guys !
(and "Qwerty123" what's the link for your thread about high end video editing ?)